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Mr. Mn.i \s. Yes. 



Mr. LEGGETT. So 1 ran recognize those. 



Whal is the — how large a population do we have of those? 



Mr. Jones. Approximately 1,000 animals in Florida. 



Mr. Leggbtt. Are there many down there? 



.Mr. Mii.ias. That is the only place they are known to occur in the 

 U.S. They also occur in South American waters, and also off the 

 ooaSI of West Africa. 



Mr. Leggett. If we engaged zero based budgeting on this item 

 of 1.1 million lor 1978, Mr. Secretary, how would you defend your 

 budget \ 



' 1 r. Mii.ias. That is a very difficult question, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leggett. It is an easy question, $1 million is not much to 

 defend. What are your people doing? 



Is that split Up over so many people that you cannot figure out 

 exactly what they are doing in this particular regard? 



Mr. Mii.ias. Well, it is split up in many activities including re- 

 search, law enforcement, permits and administration. 



However our activities under the Marine Mammal Protection Act 

 are only a small portion of all the activities and species the Fish 

 and Wildlife Service is responsible for. 



Mr. Leggett. Good. 



Well, when you go back to your office, what I want you to do is 

 give this challenge to one of your subordinates, and have him 

 present to this committee a justification in about five pages, or may- 

 lie 10, of this entire million dollar item, and if it is bits and pieces 

 of things, I want to know the bits and pieces, and how we got there, 

 and let us be able to show it. 



You know, we never zero based anything in the billions, or the 

 multibillions, but little bitsy items like this, you see we stomp on 

 you, and make you squirm. That is the idea of zero based budgeting, 

 is that the smallest gets smaller, and I want to know if you are 

 really doing anything in this program there, how many full time 

 people you have any place in this program, how many part time 

 people, and what protections you are giving to each of the species, 

 and how you figure the apportionment of the law enforcement 

 activity, and the darting and the other kinds of radioactive devices 

 that you are inclining that you track with the satellites, and of 

 course, with this kind of a budget, I presume that you get all of 

 your satellite service free from some other agency. 



Mr. Milias. Mr. Chairman, I would like to clarify one position. 

 We are not supporting the $1.1 increase in Section 110. 



Mr. Leggett. You are not? 



Mr. Milias. No, we arc supporting the $833,000 existing level. 



Mr. Leggett. Well, the $833,000 is what you had last year, is it 

 not? 



Mr. Milias. Yes. 



Mr. Leggett. And it is what you had the year before last? 



Mr. Mtltas. Yes. 



Mr. Leggett: And what you had that year before last? 



Mr. Milias. Yes. 



Mr. Leggett. And it is what you had in 1974? 



