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Mr. Fcrsythb. T nm sure the chairman is not recommending that 

 we have separate enforcement officers. 



Mr. Leggett. No; we ought to have just one. But I question whether 

 we need Beparate authorization on these tilings, unless they can 



defend. 



Mr. Forsythe. T appreciate that 



T think that is all T have. 



Mr. Leggett. Mr. Hughes? 



Mr. HtrGHBS. Xo questions. Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leggett. Mr. Akaka ? 



Mi-. Akaka. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 



Maybe you do not need the $833,000; is that correct? 



Mr. Miltas. I can not agree with that statement, sir. I think the 

 things that we are doing under the art. activities we have been man- 

 dated to do, would not be done without specific funding for such 

 activities. 



So if we are told do not do this any more, we do not. It would be 

 impossible to conduct our whole program without any funding under 

 the act. 



Mr. Akaka. We have, over a period of years, total amount has 

 been about the same, $833,000. Has their surveys, research been about 

 the same each year, without any appreciable cost increase? 



Mr. Jones. I think it is only fair to say that the research end of 

 it, that the rising cost and inflationary budget results in a smaller 

 research, less extensive research program. 



Mr. Akaka. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leggett. Thank you, Mr. Akaka. 



I just want to state this: In view of the fact you have had this 

 leeway, so-called stealing privileges, from other budgets, if we gave 

 you $1.1 million, it is well likely that that we might cure your habit 

 of stealing. 



I say that in the broad general sense, but it might not result in 

 any modification of your program. 



Mr. Milias. I think maybe, Mr. Chairman, I ought to rephrase my 

 statement. 



We do try to effectively manage our marine mammal program and 

 we must recognize that overlapping authorities do exist. I did not 

 intend to imply that we were overtly stealing funds from other 

 programs, simply because we were on a flat appropriation from 

 year to year. I do not know that to be the case at all. But I do know 

 that when dollars are scarce, you try sometimes to do the best you 

 can with what you have. 



Mr. Leggett. I know exactly what you are doing, and there is no 

 way that vou can change the image of the Chair. 



Mr. Tri'ble? 



Mr. Trtble. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



So far we have been discussing section 101 appropriations; have 

 we not? 



Is there not a request for additional appropriations in the bill, 

 section 114? 



Mr. Leggett. Now, we covered that under the other agency. 



Mr. Mannina. Both agencies. 



