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Mr. Bonner. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Tiuni/r.. How is it that you can do today at the same costs what 

 you did several years ago? 



Mr. BONNER. It is apparent we sacrifice in certain areas. The cost 

 of manpower goes up, our effort lias to go down. So therefore we 

 have enforcement people doing enforcement work across the board 

 with marine mammal funding paying a smaller portion of their 

 salaries. 



Mr. Legoett. Lot us see, wo are going to get that information com- 

 prehensibly when we get our zero hased analysis. 



Mr. Trible. That is what I was leading up to, Mr. Chairman. 



I was hoping that perhaps we could address these questions at tlio 

 same time. 



Mr. Legoett. We will. Necessarily, wo want to include this total 

 item of $833,000 and $525,000 to find out exactly what they have done, 

 and how thev have done it in each of the years, 1974, 1975, 1976, 

 1977, and 1978. 



How you propose doing the things that are required for exactly 

 the same amount of money each year, and the expense that you have 

 reprogramed in each of those years, if you kept any records, we 

 would like to know, and if you do not have any records, we want 

 your best educated guesses. 



In particular, we want the numbers of personnel. 



Mr. Milias. Yes, sir. 



[See p. 307 for insert w T ith this information.] 



Mr. Forsythe. If the gentleman will yield. 



I think so far as enforcement is concerned, the information should 

 show the total level of enforcement personnel and whether it has 

 expanded, or been reduced as a result of level budgeting. 



Mr. Leggett. Now, we have increased the overall level of enforce- 

 ment, because I know we have had some augmentations on that, the 

 press has been very much concerned about this, and so has the com- 

 mittee, so it is possible that enforcement personnel have been paid 

 for through other specific funds which we have been able- to use for 

 omnibus purposes, including this Act. 



Mr. Milias. Our enforcement effort has remained relatively stable 

 in recent years. 



Mr. Trible. I have no further questions. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leggett. Counsel, Mr. Mannina ? 



Mr. Mannina. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Milias, could you tell us what the Service requested for sec- 

 tions 114 and 110? 



Mr. Milias. The Service requested a 30 percent increase in funding 

 for sections 110(c) and 114(b). 



Mr. Mannina. And the figures in H.R. 4740 represent a 30-percent 

 increase over your present expenditures, do they not? 



Mr. Milias. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Mannina. Thank you. 



In responding to the chairman's request, could you also indicate 

 how you would use that additional 30 percent? 



Mr. Milias. Yes. of course. 



