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Mi*. Li cuktt. Subsistence taking. 



.Mis. Sum. vs. Yes; thai is true. 



Mr. Lr.ccKTT. And then you know, that is — you know, that is a 

 peripheral matter of some substance. 



Mrs. Sti.vkxs. I recognize that. But there is a problem that there 

 :ui- not enough personnel out there in the Department of Interior 

 to handle either indigenous or other kinds of taking, and that has 

 been brought up repeatedly. 



However, the State of Alaska laws are not as strict as the Marine 

 Mammal Act with respect to the actual protection of the animals, 

 and that is our reason for objecting to transfer, unless those laws 

 arc changed. 



I would hope — I had hoped, and apparently erred, that the amount 

 of money approved would apply to a 100-percent observer program 

 on the tuna boats. 



Mr. Leggett. Well, we intend to put 100 percent observer funds 

 in this supplemental, and we will see about getting those people. 



Right now the question is kind of moot, because the status of the 

 existing regulation is such that the industry is simply not fishing. 



So we will have to see what we can do about that. 



Mrs. Stevens. Well, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



We certainly appreciate the increase that you proposed, and sup- 

 port it strongly. 



Mr. Leggett. Very good. 



I hope you similarly appear before the Appropriations Committee 

 at the appropriate time. 



Mrs. Stevens. Absolutely. But is that immediately? 



Mr. Leggett. I do not know when they are scheduled. We ousrht 

 to find out when the Appropriations Committee is holding hearings 

 on these subject areas. 



We have testimony in the past, both before Mr. Slack's committee, 

 and Mr. Yates' committee. Both vary difficult committees. They seem 

 to value the dollar considerably different than we do. 



All right. 



I think we value it better. 



Milt? 



STATEMENT OF COL. MILTON M. KAUFMANN, PRESIDENT, MONITOR, 



INC. 



Colonel Kaufmann. Mr. Chairman, I am Milton M. Kaufmann. 

 president of the Monitor consortium. 



I am speaking speeifically todav for the Defenders of Wildlife. 

 International Fund for Animal Welfare, Humane Society of the 

 United States, Fund for Animals, Friends of the Earth,' and the 

 American Littoral Society. 



I do not have a prepared statement, Mr. Chairman, but my state- 

 ment also will be brief. 



We support H.R. 4740, modified as necessary to provide authori- 

 zation for the following: 



One, an observer on all trips, to be appropriated only if the 

 National Marine Fisherv Service is unable to levy license fees ade- 

 quate to pay the cost of the observer program. 



