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Two, a $5 million annual level of research and development ex- 

 penditure on tuna-porpoise. It would be understood that this would 

 be actually appropriated to the level necessary to supplement the 

 industry's contribution towards a total $5 million program. 



It is our understanding at the present time their planning calls 

 for about a $2 million to $2.5 million contribution, which I believe 

 includes the cost of the dedicated vessel. 



Three, provide per diem travel and related expenditures to citizens 

 serving as official members of the U.S. delegations, or attending 

 meetings at the request of the U.S. Government relating to the 

 administration of the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972. 



Mr. Leggett. We already covered that with the other witnesses, 

 and I think that is an item that should be taken care of. 



Colonel Kaufmann. Fine. 



I very much appreciate your support of this concept, and your 

 instructions to counsel to draft a paragraph on this. 



I believe perhaps that I expanded the concept that was identified 

 earlier this afternoon, beyond members of U.S. delegations, to in- 

 clude attendance at meetings at the request of the Government, such 

 as the scientific workshop at La Jolla. 



Mr. Leggett. We would call them official observers, observers who 

 have been requested to appear by the administration, and we would 

 provide discretion to the administration to provide per diem and 

 travel expenses for those persons who are requesting. 



Colonel Kaufmann. It would be extremely helpful, sir. 



One final remark. I am concerned with the orientation of the 

 National Marine Fisheries Service, as indicated in Mr. Gehringers 

 testimony this afternoon, which asks specifically for additional fund- 

 ing under the act to determine the impact of growing populations of 

 marine mammals on fishing stocks. 



We feel that under the act as interperted by Judge Richey, this 

 statement is perhaps in reverse. 



The thrust of the act is protection of marine mammals. In our 

 view, in this subject area, additional funds are only justified to 

 determine the effect of increased fishing on optimum sustainable 

 population level of marine mammals, and man's fishing activities. 



It is a question of emphasis, sir. 



Mr. Leggett. You are right. 



Colonel Kaufmann. That concludes my testimony, sir. 



Mr. Leggett. Very good. 



Any questions ? 



Mr. Forsythe. No. 



Mr. Leggett. All right. 



We generally agree with you. Thank you very much. 



You have been very helpful, as usual. 



This meeting will now stand adjourned, and I would not propose 

 to mark up this legislation until we get the backup material that we 

 requested of the official witnesses. 



[Whereupon, at 4 :04: p.m., the subcommittee adjourned, subject 

 to the call of the Chair.] 



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