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the agencies to expand that time if the contract requirements make 

 that necessary. 



Last, the present law grants a concessioner a preference in re- 

 newal conditioned upon his satisfactory performance. I would en- 

 courage that this remain intact and would suggest that the evalua- 

 tions must be fair and simple with achievable standards within the 

 reach of good operators. 



In summary, Mr. Chairman, I suggest that you carefully recon- 

 sider section 11 of H.R. 2028 and strengthen it by defining a prop- 

 erty right and length of contract term which can be utilized for fi- 

 nancing private investments on public lands. Thank you for this 

 opportunity to testify, Mr. Chairman, and that concludes my testi- 

 mony. 



Mr. Hansen. Thank you, Mr. Senior. Let me thank all of the six 

 members of the panel. Your testimony was excellent and very pro- 

 vocative. You do us a great favor. As I have stated all along here, 

 there is nothing in stone here. This is jello, and this is very, very 

 flexible. 



So if you want to do us a real favor, what you would do is you 

 would look at — there will be a marriage of these things — there al- 

 ways is — and you would look at these and tell us where you could 

 feel they can be improved or changed or modified or the good parts 

 of every bill. 



Mr. King brought up four things that he felt was good. How do 

 we get those into the bill? I personally think maybe those four are 

 in, but, you know, there are certain things that you could do that 

 would be very helpful to us. 



I have some questions here. I am not going to ask you, but I am 

 going to send you a quick letter. And if you would respond in writ- 

 ing, it would probably be better than if I asked you the question. 

 But would you mind at all, and if you would take the time to do 

 that, you would do this committee a great service, and we would 

 appreciate it. It would mean an awful lot to us. 



You can see there are not too many folks here right now, but 

 that doesn't mean they won't come in. I doubt if they will because 

 of the heavy schedule that we are going through as we are getting 

 ready for this wrap-up before the August work break. So I will ex- 

 cuse this panel, and, again, thank you very sincerely for the excel- 

 lent testimony and expect to hear from us, and we expect to hear 

 from you. OK? 



Our next panel is Mr. Gaylord Staveley, Vice President of the 

 National Forest Recreation Association; Mr. David Brown, Execu- 

 tive Director of American Outdoors; Mr. Paul Nielsen, Attorney for 

 the Fred Harvey Company representing the National Park Hospi- 

 tality Association; Mr. Chad Henderson, Public Policy Manager of 

 the National Outdoors Leadership School; Mr. Stanley Selengut, 

 Maho Bay Camps Incorporated; and Mr. Lee Bigwater, Canyon de 

 Chelly Guides Association. I probably didn't pronounce that one 

 right. 



We appreciate your patience in waiting as long as you have. It 

 is very kind of you. You have heard this discussion on and on; no 

 sense in me repeating everything. The same thing I said to the last 

 panel applies to this panel regarding time, input on the bill, what 

 you want to say. 



