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eral Government landlord. And, I mean, he has laid out all the rea- 

 sons why the Federal Government has problems in the testimony 

 that we have heard. 



And it seems to me it would be an obvious step to look at each 

 one of these individually, but to look at these and say that there 

 are some of them that we should privatize, that we should sell off, 

 and that that is money that we could use to care for other lands 

 much better than what we are doing, I mean, to me, that makes 

 sense. And, you know, you brought up the land and resource man- 

 agement plans. Are those not prepared by you? 



Mr. Unger. They are prepared by the Forest Service in consulta- 

 tion with all of the publics that we serve. There is a wide process 

 of public involvement in determining how the plan shall be pre- 

 pared and in developing the various principles and components of 

 the plan. 



Mr. PoMBO. My time has expired, but I just wanted to sum it up 

 by saying that you have already stated for the record that you op- 

 pose privatizing the Forest Service lands. And with that attitude, 

 none of these land management plans are going to come back and 

 say, "We think we ought to privatize this particular facility because 

 it does not fit with what the Forest Service is doing." 



If that is the way you go about it, it is no wonder that the land 

 management plans come back in the manner that they do because 

 I do believe that there are places where the public would be better 

 served if they were private. And I think that our natural resources 

 would be better served if you and your staff weren't spending time 

 and money trying to take care of a ski resort. 



Mr. Hansen. The time of the gentleman has expired. Mr. 

 Hayworth, we have time for your questions. And then we will go 

 for this vote which is a motion to recommit with instructions on the 

 San Diego Correction bill. But before you speak, Mr. Hayworth, Mr. 

 Vento, Mr. Kildee, do you have questions for this panel? 



Mr. Vento. Yes. 



Mr. Hansen. So we will take Mr. Hayworth, and then if you 

 could stay, we would appreciate it, and we will be right back after 

 the vote. Mr. Hayworth. 



Mr. Hayworth. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. In light of the ques- 

 tion from my friend from California and preceding that, the gen- 

 tleman from Tennessee, Mr. Unger, I just really want to get a han- 

 dle on this. It is my understanding that H.R. 2028 really talks 

 about a provision to transfer to private ownership one-tenth of one 

 percent of Forest Service land; not a huge area — one-tenth of one 

 percent. If that were transferred to private ownership, what would 

 be the impact or what impact would that have on the overall mis- 

 sion of the Forest Service? 



Mr. Unger. Well, we would have to look at the areas that would 

 be transferred and their values, their scenic values, their role in 

 providing recreation to the public. The overall mission of the Forest 

 Service is a broad mission. It includes providing commodities such 

 as timber, forage for livestock. 



It includes protecting watersheds and providing water supplies 

 for communities. It includes providing fish and wildlife resources 

 and hunting and fishing and all kinds of recreation in terms of 

 camping, skiing, outdoor recreation of many, many kinds. If we 



