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Would you like to respond to that, or have you had a chance to give 

 that some thought? 



Mrs. Meyers. Well, I think we purchased possessory interests 

 over a period of time. I think I would rather have someone else ad- 

 dress that more completely. I don't know if someone is here from 

 the Park Service or from the National Parks and Conservation As- 

 sociation, 



Mr. Hansen. I see. I notice that we do have the National Parks 

 and Conservation Association coming on, and I understand they 

 had a big hand in your bill. So we will ask the question to them 

 when they come on. 



Mrs. Meyers. All right. 



Mr. Hansen. Any further questions for Mrs. Meyers? We surely 

 appreciate you being with us, Jan. It is very kind of you, and thank 

 you for sitting through the first part of it with us, and we appre- 

 ciate your testimony. 



Mrs. Meyers. I appreciate very much being heard, and I am glad 

 for the interest of the committee, and thank you very much. 



Mr. Hansen. Thank you so much. We will now turn to the first 

 panel; Mr. Roger Kennedy, Director of the National Park Service; 

 Mr. David G. Unger, Associate Chief of the Forest Service; and Mr. 

 Barry J. Frankel, Director of Real Estate, U.S. Army Corps of En- 

 gineers. If these gentlemen would come forward, we would really 

 appreciate it. Some of the members of the committee said we 

 should swear you in, but I trust all three of you so we won't do 

 that. OK? How much time do you need, seriously? 



Mr. Frankel. Five minutes. 



Mr. Kennedy. Yes. I will try to stay under five, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Hansen. Well, Roger, if you need more time, just let us 

 know. This is the time to say it, 



Mr. Kennedy. OK. 



Mr. Hansen. How much time? 



Mr. Kennedy. Eight if I may, 



Mr. Hansen. Eight minutes. Good to see an honest response 

 there. Mr. Unger, how much time do you need? 



Mr, Unger, I would say five minutes, sir. 



Mr. Hansen. Five. And, Mr. Frankel, you said five? 



Mr. Frankel. Five minutes. 



Mr. Hansen. OK. You have got that. We would like to start with 

 Mr. Frankel if that is OK. Mr. Frankel, you are recognized for five 

 minutes. 



STATEMENT OF BARRY J. FRANKEL, DIRECTOR OF REAL 

 ESTATE, U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS 



Mr. Frankel. Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman and members of the sub- 

 committee, I am Barry Frankel, Director of Real Estate of the 

 Army Corps of Engineers. Accompanying me today is Ms. Janice 

 Howell, the Chief of Management and Disposal, of my office. I am 

 pleased to appear before the subcommittee today to present the 

 views of the Department of the Army on H.R. 2028. As requested, 

 my full statement has been furnished for the record, and I will 

 summarize it here. 



Under various authorities, the Corps impounded lakes and pools 

 as part of navigation and flood control projects. The Flood Control 



