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us say on page three when you talk about the Federal Government 

 just 2.6 percent or $17.6 million of the $657 million that was gen- 

 erated revenue, is that $17.6 million how much went back to the 

 Treasury? 



Mrs. Meyers. Yes. 



Mr. COOLEY. OK. Well, does that take into account the funds 

 spent by the concessioners that do not go back in funds? I went to 

 a rededication of the Crater Lake Lodge which is very, very beau- 

 tiful, and there was a lot of controversy concerning a $21,000 privy 

 that is located pretty close to that site. And I found out that the 

 taxpayer didn't pay that money. That was paid for by the conces- 

 sioner. 



Would that $17.6 million reflect those moneys that are paid by 

 concessioners that are improvements made on the park? Are we 

 getting a figure here that does not really reflect how much is re- 

 turned to the "benefit of the public" or the general return or cost 

 by the concessioners? 



Mrs. Meyers. Well, you make a very good point, Mr. Cooley. I 

 think my figures represent what is returned in concession fees. 

 However, for whatever improvements he makes, he does or she 

 does have a possessory interest in that. And at the time they want 

 to pass that on to a new buyer or to the U.S. Government, they 

 do have a possessory interest in that which is unique to the parks. 



Mr. Cooley. Well, I understand that but what I am trying to say 

 is that for my own clarification here the $17.6 million does not 

 really represent the amount of money that is returned by the con- 

 cessioners to the "public." Part of it — that is actual cash goes into 

 the Treasury but does not really represent what is really contrib- 

 uted by the concessioners to the public. So this figure might be 

 much, much higher if we take into account the money that some 

 concessioners agree to pay to the system in order to upgrade that 

 system? 



Mrs. Meyers. Well, I am sure that is true. I tried to model the 

 bill after concession agreements that are made in the other areas 

 of our economy and society, Mr. Cooley, and I think possibly we 

 should be getting a much higher return than less than three per- 

 cent. That is my only point. 



Mr. Cooley. I have something from the staff here which you 

 probably have, and counting the special annual fees and add-on 

 with no possessory interest, it comes up to $32.6 million, and that 

 is closer to the return. I just wanted to clarify that figure to show 

 that it really is not $17.6 million, but may even be double that 

 which this shows. This is from staff 



Mrs. Meyers. That would be closer then to maybe 4 percent. 



Mr. Cooley. No. I am not saying that it is right. I just wanted 

 to clarify that part of it so we understood exactly what the return 

 was to the public from the concessioners. 



Mrs. Meyers. Well, it is good to be clear. I still think that 4 per- 

 cent is a relatively low 



Mr. Cooley. I agree and I am not arguing that point. I just 

 wanted to clarify that number so we did not misrepresent exactly 

 about what we were getting back in. Thank you very much. I didn't 

 want to be controversial. I just wanted to correct that number. 

 Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



