thing in return. The one thing he may want in return perhaps is 

 to pay less fees. 



Mr. Allard. I see. OK. Thank you. 



Mr. Hansen. Thank you. The gentleman from Oregon, Mr. 

 Cooley. 



Mr. Cooley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In your testimony, you 

 talked about establishing a single policy to manage similar conces- 

 sions operations on Federal lands. Could you explain to me why 

 you think a single policy with the diversity that we have of conces- 

 sioners on Federal lands would be a good policy? Shouldn't we have 

 maybe something that has some flexibility in it for special situa- 

 tions? 



Mr. DuFFUS. Yes. Let me just make a comment and then I would 

 ask Mr. Woodward to respond. The issue here is that we see a need 

 for consistency in the management of similar concessioners that 

 are operating on Federal recreation lands. 



We are not saying that the agencies should not have flexibility 

 in the management of concessioners on their lands, but at least 

 they should be consistent, for example, in the rates that they 

 charge and the process by which they go about setting the rates. 

 And perhaps Mr. Woodward would comment. 



Mr. Cooley. Excuse me. When you say rates 



Mr. DuFFUS. Fees. I am sorry. 



Mr. Cooley. You are talking about fees? 



Mr. DUFFUS. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Cooley. OK. Because I was going to say if you look at a con- 

 cessioner who may or may not have a living space as a rental and 

 then you look at a concessioner that sells convenience — hot dogs, 

 things of that type, and that is what I was really looking at. Aiid 

 you are talking about a flat rate system 



Mr. Woodward. Sir, I don't think we are- 



Mr. Cooley [continuing], are you thinking in the point of profit 

 margins or 



Mr. Woodward. I don't think we are suggesting a flat rate sys- 

 tem. I think what we are suggesting is that a marina on Corps of 

 Engineers' land may be a lot like a marina on Forest Service land 

 and the same with a marina in the Park Service. 



Our point is that similar concessioners should probably be man- 

 aged in a similar fashion. What we see not only in just dealing 

 with the fee, but length of contract, the possessory interest type of 

 issues, whether they need to report revenues, things of that nature, 

 are very inconsistent throughout these six agencies. 



So I think our point is where you have similar facilities, and 

 many of them are similar — there are a lot of restaurants, there is 

 a lot of lodging throughout the Forest Service, the Corps, the Park 

 service especially — we would suggest that there are strong reasons 

 to have those types of concessioners managed in a consistent fash- 

 ion. 



Mr. Cooley. So what you are talking about is a general overall 

 management plan with the flexibility within the units itself on 

 nonsimilar things? 



Mr. Woodward. Flexibility still remains a key issue. We are not 

 trying to tie the hands of any of the agencies to one strict law. I 

 think H.R. 2028 provides for the agencies to develop regulations 



