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have any grass, they will have to be slaughtered, and it would 

 seem a shame for this committee to be part of the problem of 

 slaughtering 6,000 pregnant cows. 



We have a grazing permit, as I said. I was selected to be here 

 by some of my peers, seeing as how I am fortunate enough to have 

 a grazing permit that has the largest stand of sequoia redwood 

 trees in the national forest in my permit. 



I also have the only endangered species on the Sequoia National 

 Forest, that is in my permit, which is the little current golden 

 trout. So we kind of get it from both sides there. 



I really can't see any difference. I have probably been in the area 

 more than anybody that has been alive over the last 50 years or 

 so, and poked around here and there. There is about 150,000 of the 

 440,000 acres that I am either somewhat familiar with; and of that, 

 there is probably 100,000 that I am extremely familiar with. 



I really cannot see that many changes, except we have more de- 

 bris building up. I neglected to mention, I also run in the wilder- 

 ness. I've got all your goodies. 



The debris, the logs, the dead brush, the tall green brush, the 

 magnificent fire hazards, have increased dramatically in the last 50 

 years. You used to be able to ride wherever you wanted to go. 



The only thing that is going to clear it up is either logging or fire. 

 I don't think you are going to have any fires set on purpose in the 

 southern Sierra, Nevada region. 



I was involved with the State board of forestry for a year. I was 

 primarily responsible for complete revamping of the veg-manage- 

 ment program for the State of California. They were trying to bum 

 120,000 acres, £Lnd then we dropped it to 90,000, and we dropped 

 it to 67,000. Statewide, they have been burning in the 40,000's. 



Part of the problem is the Air Quality Control Board and APA, 

 and you will not see any large scale burning in southern Sierra Ne- 

 vada or Southern California in the foreseeable future. 



On the redwoods. Mountain Home States Forest is managed by 

 the California Board of Forestry. It is considered to be the jewel of 

 the State forest system. It is a totally managed grove, and before 

 the committee or anyone made any decisions, I would strongly sug- 

 gest they go find out what the State of California is doing there. 



They are harvesting some of the sequoias. They are leaving re- 

 cruitment trees for the large ones. They are opening it up. They are 

 getting a lot of free growth, very extensive management. 



California has 101-some million acres. A little over 1 million 

 acres of that is water. You have 49 million acres of public Izind. Of 

 that public land, you have 12 million acres of wilderness and parks 

 in California, which is 12 percent of the total. 



You have another 3.5 million acres, Department of Defense. The 

 State of California has about 2 million acres. So you've got about 

 16 percent of California now that is off limits. That area is larger 

 than most of the States out here. 



If you look at the old writings of the pioneers, the mountain men, 

 even John Muir, they talk about open savannahs, scattered trees, 

 tall grass. I think that we are tgdking about ancient forest and this 

 type of thing, and we are seeing something that is not natural be- 

 fore white man came, because the California Department of For- 



