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estry was established as a fire control unit in 1884, 1 believe it was. 

 We have been putting out fires in California ever since. 



My personal opinion is, we screwed up when we put the first fire 

 out, or you would not have the fire hazards and things you have 

 now. 



One other thing I happen to be staying over at the Henley Park 

 Hotel. It's the same age as when our cattle drive started back 

 there, 75 years ago. I neglected to mention that the permit has 

 been in our hands, and this is the 76th year. Anjrway, Henley Park 

 is now an Historic Hotel of America, sponsored by the National 

 Trust for Historic Preservation. 



Thank you. 



[The prepared statement of Mr. Shannon appears at the conclu- 

 sion of the hearing.] 



Mr. DOOLEY. Thank you, Mr. Shannon. I thank all the panelists 

 for their participation today, and also for their diligence in sitting 

 through this and being the last panel. 



I can assure you that even though Mr. Brown wasn't in attend- 

 ance for part of the comments here of the last panel, he will have 

 access to the written testimony. I am sure that his staff will make 

 him aware of some of the comments that were made. 



What I would be interested in, Mr. Duysen, your company was 

 a participant in the mediated settlement process? 



Mr. Duysen. That is correct. 



Mr. DoOLEY. And we have had some discussion earlier today on 

 whether or not that was an interim agreement, how long it was in- 

 tended to be in effect. As an actual participant in the process, what 

 w£is your general impression? 



I mean, what were you talking about when you were hammering 

 out these agreements? What was the timeframe, were they to be 

 part of the management plan, were they to be in effect until a fu- 

 ture management plan was developed? What was your perception? 



Mr. Duysen. I am quite certain in my mind that the intent was 

 that the mediated agreement would last the entire planning period, 

 a period of 10 to 15 years. And I believe that's in writing in the 

 agreement. 



Mr. DoOLEY. Another question is, where we did have some of the 

 findings of the CASPO Study that was released subsequently, was 

 there discussion during the mediated settlement agreement on how 

 those types of issues would be overlaid, and how they would be ac- 

 commodated, or was this something that was just basically left that 

 the Forest Service would address? 



Mr. Duysen. I guess the way I see that is, that's a very good 

 question. When we signed the mediated agreement, it was my as- 

 sumption that this agreement would go forward. Everyone realized 

 that nothing stays static. And within several weeks, there was the 

 stormy fire complex, a whole new issue. 



And now we have CASPO and, undoubtedly, there will be other 

 issues out in front of us. But that still does not mean that the in- 

 tent and the verbiage of the mediated agreement should not go 

 through, as far as protections go. 



The mediated agreement talked about an allowable harvest of 75 

 million board feet a year. With CASPO, that is greatly reduced this 



