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the expense, you have to mix those logs in with some other logs to 

 try to keep yourself above water. 



Mr. PoMBO. Do you agree with a lot of the statements that have 

 been made previously here, in terms of better management tech- 

 niques in using the new science that is available and the new tech- 

 niques that are available, and being able to do that and maintain 

 a business in the area? 



Mr. DuYSEN. Very much so, as far as harvesting techniques and 

 harvesting equipment. There is definitely the teclmology out there, 

 and it is being used in other places. Aiid it is some of the tech- 

 nology that we are using right now, in particular, logging with heli- 

 copters. 



A good portion of logging takes place by helicopters. There is no 

 lighter touch to the earth than doing that. I think that is some- 

 tMng that could, as far as giant sequoia management or other sen- 

 sitive areas in the future, could be applied. 



Mr. POMBO. Thank you. Mr. Lilley, you talked mainly about the 

 recreational opportunities that currently exist in the area. Can you 

 give us one or two suggestions of how we could increase rec- 

 reational opportunities in the area, and better utilize the forests for 

 those purposes? 



Mr. Lilley. Definitely not by this bill. This bill shuts down 

 roads. It says no new development. One of our problems with it is 

 that it states right off the bat that you can not come into an area 

 and increase the recreation. Yet, the bill says that we are going to 

 get so much more in recreation that it is going to be able to replace 

 the revenues from the timber sales. 



The Forest Service has no fee for people to use the forest. What 

 we see as the proper forest management of a natural resource, is 

 the multiple-use program that the Forest Service currently uses. 

 They say, allow a lot of people to use it; a lot of variety to use it. 

 They have management teams that study that and determine that. 



The one thing that I would suggest is that we not do it by closing 

 down roads that are already built. They are already established. 

 The road sides are established with vegetation. You are not getting 

 run-off problems; that type of thing. It allows people to get out into 

 the back country that are not normally capable with a 65-pound 

 pack on their back. 



We did mention this earlier, but Hume Lake sits right on the 

 edge of Kings Canyon. Historically, Hume has not always been 

 there. It exists because when they logged it earlier, Hume Lake 

 was created. They put a dam in, and that dam was built so they 

 could roll the sequoia logs into the lake after they cut them down. 

 That was the turn of the century logging. 



At Hume Lake, we would like to cordially invite all the Congress- 

 men, and even those not present, to come to Hume, and we would 

 like to show them what happened back then, as well as give them 

 an opportunity to see the groves that are there now. 



Thank you. 



Mr. DOOLEY. Thank you. I would like to thank all of the panel- 

 ists for their participation today. 



I also want to specifically recognize both Carla Cloer and Jack 

 Shannon and even include myself here, because I think we are all 

 fourth generation residents of this region. I think we all have 



