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Mr. AxoERSOx. Currently we only have the two, the fur seal treaty 

 and tlio Wlialing Commis.>ion. 



Mr. McKerxan. Mv collea«nie, Mr. Blow, reminds me the Inter- 

 national Convention for the Northwest Atlantic Fisheries also re^fii- 

 lates as part of its responsibilities, the harp and hood seals, which are 

 taken primarily by Norway and Canada, but to some extent by 



Denmark. 



There is a panel of the Northwest Atlantic Commission dealing 



with these Northwest Atlantic seals. 



By the way, these are the seals that we have heard so much about 



recently. 



They kill the new-born pups during the white-coat phase. U e do 



not take any of those seals. 



Mr. Anderson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Mr. Kyros? 



Mr. Kyros. Thank vou, Mr. Chairman. 



Ambassador McKefnan. on page 3 of your testimony you say that 

 there has already been prepared a basic working document for an 

 international conference that is going to come about in April 1972 

 the International I'nion for the Conservation of Nature, et cetera. 



"\Miat I would like to know is what, indeed, are the controls that 

 are included in that document ? 

 You say there is control over a number of species of marine mammals. 



Verv briefly, can you tell us what is in it ? 



Mr.' McKern.^n.' That convention would control the export, the im- 

 port, and transit of certain species of wildlife and plants, and those 

 wildlife and plants are identified in appendix 1 and appendix 2 of 

 that draft convention. 



Appendix 2 lists species not in danger of extinction but of which 

 the export, import and transit must be subject to control to avoid 

 undue exploitation. 



Mr. Kyros. Then there will be a beginning of international con- 

 trol over those species ? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. Kyros. Is there any possibility of taking the Confer- 

 ence further ? 



Is that the way in which the Conference is going to proceed, or is it 

 possible to rewrite that by next spring ? 



Mr. McKernan. It is'possible, but not probable. 



I say that, Mr. Kyros. because this has been through several phases 

 in its 'development and we have been dealing with perhaps -10 other 

 countries in drafting of this convention. We are calling the Conference 

 in conjunction with the lUCN and it is pretty well along now. 



Now. this does not mean it is impossible, you understand, but it 

 would mean further delay, and it might be rather difficult in view of 

 the larpe number of nations involved. 



Mr. Kyros. Well, if the Congress acted on a bill which you appar- 

 ently do not approve of. Mr. Pryor's bill. H.R. 6558 



^Ir. McKernan. Mr. Anderson's bill. 



Mr. Kyros. Congressman Pryor's bill, H.R. 6558. you most cer- 

 tainly would have to change your position on the agenda of the Con- 

 ference ; would you not ? 



