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Well , thank you very much. 



Mr. Potter, aiiy further questions? 



Mr. Pollock. Mr. Chairman, before we wind it up let me make one 

 point. The point made in that paragraph, it was our feeling that 

 the Congress in its wisdom, in the Submerged Lands Act of 1953, 

 43 use 1301 granted to tlie States certain jurisdiction over living 

 marine resources in their territorial seas. 



We are simply saying we do not think it is proper in the conduct 

 of legislation now to reverse that and take it all away if we can work 

 out cooperative programs with the States. 



Mr. DiNGELL. I am sure you are aware in the bills before us we do 

 have a provision for cooperative management programs, but I am 

 satisfied you imderstand that perhaps the maximimi bomidary of 

 the State's jurisdiction is 3 miles. 



Mr. Pollock. It is today. 



Mr. Dingell. And the probability of expansion of that jurisdiction 

 is most conjectural. 



Mr. Pollock. But I think in 1973 it will probably go to 12 miles. 

 I am just grabbing at that based on my feeling for the law of the sea. 



Mr. DiNGELL. As author of the 12-mile limit legislation, as the man 

 who handled that inside this committee, I assure you that will be 

 viewed with a very fishy eye in this particidar committee. 



I give you firm assurances on that jxtint. 



Mr. Potter. I have been in contact with a number of people who 

 speak very highly of Dr. Perrin's work and we want you to know that 

 we appreciate your bringing him as you were asked to do. 



I would like to ask you. Dr. Perrin, if you can tell me is there any 

 discernible trend in the taking of ix)rpoises? Are we catching more 

 this year than yast year or catching about the same amomit of what? 



Dr. Perkin. The only data we have is on the yellow fin taken, on 

 the tons of yellow fin tuna that are taken. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Doctor, do you want to come up to the witness table? 



Mr. Pollock. Before we proceed with that, I wovdd like to introduce 

 Dr. William Aron who is here, our Director, Office of Ecology and 

 Environmental Conservation. 



Will you stand, Doctor ? 



Mr. DiNGELL. I would also like to thank you, Mr. Pollock, for your 

 kindness in making Dr. Perrin available to us. 



Mr. PooTER. As I understand it, your estimates of tuna taken has 

 been pretty much tied to the tomiage (and I think I got the figure 

 from the National Marine Fisheries Services) as 3.9 porpoises per ton. 



Dr. Perrin. That is the figure we used. 



Mr. Potter. What is the tonnage of the yellow fin taken by the 

 fleet? 



Dr. Perrin. It is going up steadily. 



Mr. Potter. Can you give me what the figures were say 5 year ago? 



Dr. Perrin. I can give you figures for 1966 when there were ap- 

 proximately 44,000 tons of yellow fin tuna taken in conjunction with 

 porpoise schools. This is in the yellow fin regulatory area. 



In 1967 there was approximately 33,000. 



In 1968, it was approximately 35,000 or 44,000. 



In 1969, there was quite a jump to approximately 83,000 tons. 



We do not have the data yet for 1970 or, of course, for 1971. 



