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Mr. Pollock. We give them skins. 



Mr. DiNGELL. So we are not benefiting the seal and the aims of con- 

 servation by giving our good friends, the Canadians, Russians, and 

 Japanese a bigger chunk of money. 



Mr. Pollock. No; but if we harvested 50,000 or 60,000 skins and 

 there was no market for them, obviously there would be no purpose in 

 doing this. 



The Aleut population there on St. Paul and St. Greorge would derive 

 no benefit whatsoever. 



Mr. DiNGELL. This gets us down to a rather fundamental question. 



As I read it, the title is conservation and protection of the North 

 Pacific fur seals. Now, I do not find anything in there that says that 

 this is to the benefit of the Aleuts. 



If I am in error on that point I would be delighted to have you cor- 

 rect me. 



Now, would you like to cite to us, if you please, in title I relating 

 to conservation and protection of fur seals under section 101 anything 

 that says we are supposed to up the take to the Aleuts ? 



Mr. Pollock. We construe it. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Please do not construe it. 



Mr. Pollock. Under subchapter 2, section 1161. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Are you dealing with the code citation or the citation 

 of the act ? 



I have the act before me. 



Mr. Pollock. Mr. Chairman, 16 U.S.C. 1161 and 1162 specifically 

 deal with that and also 63 and 64. 



Section 1161 talks about the special reservation and the purposes. It 

 says the Pribilof Islands shall continue to be administered as a special 

 reservation by the Secretary of Interior (that has been changed under 

 Reorganization Plan No. 4) for the purpose of conserving, managing, 

 and protecting the North Pacific fur seals and other wildlife and for 

 other purposes. 



Mr. DiNGELL. I am interested in you telling me where that directs 

 you to advertise sealskins. 



Mr. Pollock. May I continue ? 



Mr. DiNGELL. Yes. 



Mr. Pollock. Section 1162, contracts, agreements, leases or permits 

 for use of Government-owned property for specific purposes. 



This says the Secretary in carrying out the provisions of this sub- 

 chapter is authorized to enter into contracts or agreements or leases 

 with, or to issue permits to public or private agencies or persons, in- 

 cluding the natives of said islands in accordance with such terms and 

 conditions as he deems desirable for the use of any Government-owned 

 real or personal property located on the Pribilof Islands. 



Mr. DiNGELL. That does not deal with advertising sealskins. 



Mr. Pollock. You are talking about what the money is used for. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Where are the directions in that statute? You are a 

 lawyer. 



Mr. Pollock. Mr. Chairman, if you are searching for whether or 

 not it says you shall or shall not advertise, it does not. 



Mr. DiNGELL. I am still curious to know where you got the authority 

 in that statute to advertise sealskins. 



I am waiting, Mr. Pollock. 



