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tions brought up by the bill, perhaps aside from the humane aspects 

 wliich may have to do with the jurisdiction of States on marine mam- 

 mals within their jurisdiction or as they have been, and the transferral 

 from the Department of Commerce to the Department of Interior of 

 the responsibility for administering the phases of the bill . 



Mr. DiNGELL.'ls that a matter of reserA-ation in your association? 

 Mr. Denney. No ; it is not. 



Mr. DiNGELL. As a matter of fact, I look at it as a very delightful 

 and wholesome step forward in good management practices. Please 

 continue, sir. 



Mr. Denney. Yes ; our indication is that regardless of the bills per- 

 taining to marine mammals, we desire that management be an integral 

 part of this legislation; that protection alone is not management, al- 

 though it is a phase perhaps of a desirable management plan, as is 

 harvesting or population control or habitat improvement or manipu- 

 lation in this manner. 



We are in favor of any legislation which integrally provides for 

 rational management. 



Mr. DiNGi-^LL. And I think it would be fair to say humane 

 management. 



Mr. Denstey. This would be inclusive ; yes. 

 Mr. DiNGEix. Mr. Pelly ? 

 Mr. Pelly. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



How large a membership do you have in your association? 

 Mr. Denney. I cannot give you data on the basis of individuals, sir. 

 The American Humane Association is a federation of the various 

 member societies which are incorporated individually within States or 

 political subdivisions of States. Of the some 1,030 humane societies and 

 SPCA's in the United States, we have a membership of some 327 of 

 these societies. 



Mr. Pelly. And these are the same humane societies that take care 

 of animals in the cities ? Are you connected with them ? 



Mr. DEN^^:Y. We are a federation of the various societies individu- 

 ally which are incorporated \vithin States or subdivisions of those 

 States. 

 Mr. Pelly. Thank you. 



Mr. Dingell. Mr.Denney, the committee is very grateful to you 

 for your very helpful statement, and we thank you for your courtesy 

 to this committee. 



Our next witness is Mr. John A. Hoyt, president of the Humane 

 Society of the United States. He is accompanied by Mr. Frank Mc- 

 Mahon. 



Gentlemen, we are happy to welcome you for such statements as you 

 choose to give. Will you identify yourselves for the purpose of the 

 record, and we will be pleased to receive your statement. 



STATEMENT OF JOHN A. HOYT, PRESIDENT, THE HUMANE SOCIETY 

 OF THE UNITED STATES; ACCOMPANIED BY FRANK McMAHON, 

 DIRECTOR OF INVESTIGATIONS 



Mr. HoYT. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the Subcommittee on 

 Merchant Marine and Fisheries, I am John A. Hoyt, president of the 

 Humane Society of the United States, a national organization of 



