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That is my philosophy. 

 Mr. Kyros. Thank you very much. 

 Thank vou, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. I am sure that members of the subcommittee will ajrree 

 that the subcommittee is most fortunate in having the gentlemen here 

 representinjj many years of scientific expertise which they individually 

 and collectivelv liave made a great contribution to the major concern 

 of the bill, H.R. 10420. 



I was particularly impressed after reading your background and 

 your long years of "scientific involvement in the subject matter with 

 your statement on page 2 beginning with line 16 through 31 and par- 

 ticularly that part that begins on line 25 which I find myself in general 

 agreement. 



Neither the extreme exploitative nor the protectionism point of 

 view give sufficient attention to the interdependency between animals 

 and their environment. 



What is needed is a system of flexible management, based upon a 

 continual scientific reappraisal of the ecological health of populations. 

 To me, that is a significant statement, and after these years vou have 

 identified yourself as conservationists, you recognize a rational, reason- 

 able approach to this matter. 



I would like you to comment perhaps again since I was not at these 

 hearings, your statement on page 3 beginning on line 30 with refer- 

 ence to the testimonv of the Committee on Humane T^egislation, which 

 took a stand against this amendment as well as a stand against harass- 

 ment and kill. 



I cannot help but find myself in agreement with it. It points out so 

 significantly the thrust of people becoming involved at this point in 

 time and saying they are concerned only with stop now, do not proceed. 

 I was not permitted to be present due to some hearings in the Armed 

 Services Subcommittee and also to your question you raise as to whT 

 the National Wildlife Federation is opposed to the creation of a scien- 

 tific advisory committee. 



Then you go on to state whv it should be done and what this com- 

 mittee should be composed of, qualified marine mammalogists and 

 population biologists. 



Does the bill presently l>efore the committee, include such a com- 

 mittee with the definitive recommendations as to what its makeup 

 should be. Counsel ? 



Does tlie committee bill now before us i^rovide for a. scientific ad- 

 visory committee and d'oes it set out definitively the qualifications of 

 that amendment? 

 I just do not know. 

 Counsel , do you have an answer ? 



Mr. Potter. It does provide for the establishment of a scientific com- 

 mittee, Mr. Lennon. and it does go int^. some detail on this. Perhaps 

 the witnesses would indicate whether it goes into sufficient detail on 

 the makeup and function of that scientific advisory committee. 



Mr. Lennon. I wonder if you could do that or if you would provid^e 

 for the record your specific recommendations and the bill may do it 

 itself, I do not know. Does it proA-ide for a definite number of the 

 members of the so-called advisory committee ? 



Dr. Ray. May I make a comment on that, Mr. T^nnon ? 



