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I think it would be somewhat pretentious of us to reoommend 

 exactly how tliis commission might work. 



Many, many people have been working on this. I have given it a 

 lot of personal thought and I know that many of my colleagues have 

 also. 



The Marine Mammal Commission, it seems to me, should act as a 

 judge. 



The Marine Mammal Scientific Advisory Committee is a panel of 

 experts which has no direct regulatory or enforcement power. It can- 

 not push its views down anyone's throat. It can only recommend on n 

 scientific basis what might be done for research and to find something 

 out. 



Tliese should definitely be experts. Who the commissioners should be 

 or how they should report is not. something that I personally am 

 qualified to direct my attention to, although I would say just one 

 thing. It is all very well and good to establish commissioners on a 

 scientific advisory committee and I think here in these comfortable and 

 lovely chambers we are not so much in the position of facing the snow 

 or the Arctic or falling into nets. 



I think it is absolutely mandatory to work out a very specific local 

 level of management of research. 



I can think of many examples of — and I am not as qualified as most 

 are on this, but I can think of many examples where a structure such 

 as the bill has in mind may fall down because it does not leach into the 

 local level where the work is being done, where the animals are being 

 killed, or whatever. 



Some means must be found to break this chain of command from the 

 fellow working locally who reports all the way up the chain. 



By the time it has gone up the chain it is like people around the 

 bridge table trying to tell secrets in each others' ears. You do not get 

 the same secret as when it first started out. 



T do not know if that is very clear, but in my mind the Commission 

 will function exactly as well as the people on it are rather noble and 

 unbiased. 



Mr. Lexnon. Well, the objecti\aty of legislation is generally good, 

 but it is ultimately the Federal administration of that, that determines 

 its productivity and its acceptance. 



We run into that so often. 



Would you comment, please, beginning on page 7 in which you make 

 specific comments, and I would like to ask you gentlemen if you would 

 furnish the committee, through its counsel, specific legislative recom- 

 mendations which vou think ought to be, or changes in the legislation 

 or additional legislation that would sufficiently implement the five 

 specific comments that you had to make on the bill, particularly the 

 third which is found on approximately line 27, page 7, where you 

 say : Native rights must be protected but this aspect is not clear in the 

 bill. 



Would you suggest legislation to our counsel that would make that 

 clear so the committee can consider it when it comes to the point in 

 time that it marks up the bill or gets to that point in time? 



Dr. Ray. We will be delightetl to help in every way we can and as 

 expeditiously as we can, because this is an urgent matter. 



With respect to point 3 we would be delighted to help. However, 

 I would emphasize there are people, some in this room, who you might 



