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We are part of a national segment of an international proofram, 

 and both nationally and internationally we are well aware of the 

 deficiencies in both'national funding and cooperation between scien- 

 tists and international cooperation and funding as well, because there 

 is no way. for instance, the United States can support a foreign 

 scientist. There are some ways, but they are prett}- difficult. 



Xow. the bill might well be deficient in both regards. 



I think that these international programs, such as the IGY. the 

 international biological programs and others are programs of scien- 

 tists that seek to group together. 



Howeyer, the support of such programs in terms of appropriated 

 money from Congress has not been nearly adequate. 



The International Biological Program, 'for instance, is supported 



by much less money than it takes to put up our weather rockets. 



*Xow. I think that this sort of support should be increased, but 



by no means should all support, as we haye said in our testimony, 



ffo to any one agency. 



I think what we haye to do is expand the missions of the exist- 

 ing Federal agencies. XOAA. the Office of Xayal Research, and make 

 ayailable to the National Science Foimdation significant funds and 

 sufficient funds for a programmatic approach to marine mammals, 

 rather than a project-by-projeot approach. 



There is a national need in my opinion that we study marine 

 mammals. 



I think the legislation has to reflect that national need in terms 

 of funding. 



I cannot tell you what the leyel of funding should be, but it 

 should be carefully scrutinized to keep excellence up. rather than 

 simply pour money in. 



We* haye to build on whateyer high research quality we can start 

 out with. 



Mr. RoTr>-TREE. What has the leyel of funding in the past with 

 regard to the National Science Foimdation and under the sea grant 

 program administered by XOAA for marine mammals? 



I assume in your opinion it would be inadequate, or is there any? 



Dr. Rat. Our program runs on a budget of about S60,000 a year. 

 We would like to see it increased. We would also like to see other 

 programs increased, but on a competitiye basis. 



Dr. XoRRis. In thinking oyer what I know of sea grant, I am not 

 sure they support any marine mammal. 



Dr. Rat. In Alaska they do. at least. 



Dr. XoRRis. That must be a yery minor part of their operation. 



There is some support through XSF, but I cannot giye you a figure. 

 It is reasonably minor. 



There is long continued support through OXR. 



Dr. Rat. Well, the Federal and State agencies are the other ones, 

 but there is no question that the major problem of support is the lack 

 of a ship. 



These animals liye in the ocean, and the only way to study them is 

 to go out to the ocean, or somehow get telemetry going. 



The leyel for support for all these things is inadequate, not just from 

 a scientific yiewpoint, but the yiewpoint of the national need. 



