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taken witliin the scope of such cooperative arrangement shall be 

 deemed to have been lawfully taken within the meaning of the title. 



Can you provide language that you would prefer to that? 



Mr. Jackman. If I can make a statement on that. I think the real 

 concern is that the section might be more explicit in allowing the kind 

 of management flexibility on some of these resident species that the 

 State finds it very necessary to exercise, for instance in managing the 

 salmon stocks where, on a day-by-day or week-by-week basis. This 

 sometimes cannot be done effectively and Federal regulation is, per- 

 haps, set a year in advance or a long time in advance. There certainly 

 is plenty of latitude within the section to provide for that kind of 

 arrangement. 



I think the State of Alaska would be much more comfortable with 

 the legislation if it were more explicitly stated, in other words, that 

 there be a different kind of permit procedure for say taking one of 

 the larger, more endangered marine mammals than for those species 

 which need to be managed on a day -to-day -basis, with closer coopera- 

 tion with the State. 



There is not any differentiation made. 



Mr. Pelly. I thought you would prefer plenty of leeway to take 

 care of the circumstances as they appear. 



In other words, I would not think you would want the bill to spell 

 out in detail provisions which in the future might be unacceptable 

 to you. 



I would have thought that this provided for a satisfactory coopera- 

 tive arrangement. 



If you have additional language that you would suggest and would 

 be more comfortable with, then I would suggest, with permission of 

 the Chair, that you suJbmit it at a later date when you have had an 

 opportunity to testif}^ and prepare some of the language. 



Mr. Jackman. Could I respond to that just briefly ? 



Mr. DiNGELL. Without objection, the permission is extended to you 

 gentlemen to make such insertions that Mr. Pellv has reaue«ted. 



(The committee received no such insertions, prior to printing of the 

 record.) 



Mr. Jackman. Thank you. 



Mr. Pelly. That is all. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Mr. Keith. 



Mr. Keith. No questions. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Mr. Potter. 



Mr. Potter. Just a few questions. 



As you may know or do know we have had testimony before this 

 committee on the circumstances surrounding the annual walrus hunt. 



You have indicated to me and as a matter of fact the experts this 

 morning also indicated that the walrus population seems to be growing. 



Are the reports we have received correct that in some cases the Eski- 

 mos will hunt walruses by floating down in boats on groups on an ice 

 floe, shooting them and then losing half ? 



If this is true, does this suggest it might be desirable to be able to 

 require Eskimos to adopt a less wasteful method of hunting? 



Mr. BrRNS. To answer, I do not know which question to answer first. 

 "Wliat is happening generally to the walrus ? 



