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The Chairman. Will the gentleman yield? We agree on that. One 

 thing, remember, in my bill I do nothing about the Tongass Reform 

 Act that you put in there. 



Mr. Miller. Well, page 8 



The Chairman. Now I 



Mr. Miller, [continuing] — if that is not the old comparable 

 sale 



The Chairman. I am not talking about that. I am talking about 

 the buffer zones and all the rest of the stuff. We didn't change that. 

 We didn't change any of the wilderness areas. We did not touch 

 any of that. Now I am suggesting where you see what is wrong 

 with the bill, give me some ideas to keep my town alive, you know. 



Mr. Miller. And we will. 



The Chairman. Does anybody else have any questions? 



Mr. Baldacci. If I had any time, I was going to yield it. 



The Chairman. No, I have already done that. Anybody on this 

 side? I want to — Mr. Janik. 



Mr. Janik. I just want to reemphasize, Mr. Chairman, that the 

 Administration is willing to sit down and talk options. We say that 

 here today. We said it yesterday. And the opposition is strongly 

 based on the bill as written. 



The Chairman. My bill — what I am telling you is I want — ^you've 

 got to live with high prices, not high prices, you work for the gov- 

 ernment I'll tell you that right now. Give us some ideas as quick 

 as possible. Just don't snowball us on this. If you can get it today, 

 I would love it today. If you can get it tomorrow, that would be bet- 

 ter, but as far as I am concerned, that is about as long as we have 

 got on this, because we have to have some suggestions. 



I want to say one thing. As I told Brad, you know, you have got 

 a good man there. 



Mr. Janik. He is a good man. 



The Chairman. At least he shows up at the hearings. It was a 

 nice arrow in your back, but I will tell you up front the Forest 

 Service this last week were sued by the environmental community 

 again over the Tongass Reform Act. I mean, you guys are caught 

 betwixt and between. We are upset because I want to keep my peo- 

 ple employed. They are upset because you are keeping too many 

 people employed. I am upset because we don't have a viable econ- 

 omy. They have got their economy and it is — you know, you are 

 caught right between, and I have great sympathy. 



You heard me say the other day if I had my way, Mr. Janik 

 would make all the decisions in Alaska, then we could really ham- 

 mer him. Not by Dean Woods, not by Mr. Lyons, not by Jack Ward 

 Thomas, not by Katie McGinty or Leon Panetta or Mr. Glickman, 

 it would be made by you, but that is maybe yesteryear. But some- 

 day that is going to change and we are going to fix it so you will 

 make the decisions. Then we can discuss it as we did in the past. 

 You are excused. 



Mr. Janik. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



The Chairman. Panel two: Mr. Leonard, George Leonard, United 

 States Forest Service, retired; and Mr. Scott Horngren, the law 

 firm of Haglund and Kirtley in Portland, Oregon, you two are up. 

 George, you are up first. 



