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The Chairman. I know you are under a time restraint, Mr. 

 Lyons, but I want to ask one question. You served here as a com- 

 mittee staff in Agriculture, did you not? 



Mr. Lyons. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. Did you work on the TTRA? 



Mr. Lyons. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. In your statement you object to Congress making 

 unilateral changes in this bill. What is the difference from what 

 you did in the TTRA and now? 



Mr. Lyons. Well, I believe, Mr. Chairman, that the cir- 

 cumstances 



The Chairman. Now you are the Under Secretary, and you were 

 the staff at that time, but there is little difference. It is exactly the 

 same thing. 



Mr. Lyons. I was staff to the House Agriculture Committee at 

 that time, as you indicated, Mr. Chairman. At that time there were 

 various and sundry attempts to do different things to the contracts, 

 everything from termination to modification. 



The Chairman. But the Congress did it, didn't it? 



Mr. Lyons. That is correct. 



The Chairman. The Congress did it. 



Mr. Lyons. However, under the circumstances, Mr. Chairman, 

 the Secretary of Agriculture has administrative authority to re- 

 scind the contracts. For ten years it would have 



The Chairman. You are running out of time, but this is not a bit 

 of difference. This is the difference between, you know, where you 

 are sitting now and where you were before. You were assisted in 

 those changes. You said there would be no attack on the timber in- 

 dustry. You said there would be no attack on — we'd have no loss 

 of jobs. You were an instigator on the Agriculture Committee. You 

 were the majority. Now you are on the executive side of it. There 

 is not a bit of difference. 



I have no questions at this time. Anybody else have any ques- 

 tions? The gentleman from Idaho. 



Mr. Crapo. Mr. Chairman, and Mr. Lyons, in your written testi- 

 mony on page 2, you indicate Secretary Glickman has committed 

 the Department to maintaining a suitable timber flow to Ketchikan 

 Pulp Company in accordance with the terms of the existing con- 

 tract and other relevant statutes. Does that mean you have com- 

 mitted beyond the term — that Secretary Glickman has committed 

 beyond the term of the existing contract, or is this just saying he 

 has committed to honor the current contract? 



Mr. Lyons. It would seem to me to indicate. Congressman, that 

 we intend to fulfill our commitments under the existing contract. 

 We have not addressed the issue of any commitments beyond the 

 current term contract. 



Mr. Crapo. So you are not saying — this legislation would extend 

 for 15 years. You are not saying in this testimony that Secretary 

 Glickman has committed to that part of this legislation? 



Mr. Lyons. He has not committed to an extension. 



Mr. Crapo. But he does have — did I hear you just say earlier 

 that he does have administrative authority to do so if he chooses 

 to? 



Mr. Lyons. That is correct. 



