and then I'll get away from this taxpayer business, being at the public 

 draw,, take some of the money that industry's got to give out. Since that 

 time L.guess I haven't worn a white hat in any of my situations. I've 

 been-^ith that same black hat so I'm in the same situation of wearing a 

 black hat with the slurry pipelines. I was in Wyoming when the Wyoming 

 Outdoor Council and many other environmental agencies and others looked 

 with chagrin on a development of coal. There were films published, 

 presented. There was a great deal of consternation of those that did not 

 want to see that change of lifestyle, or if it was to be changed, they 

 wanted it was rather orderly, but in most cases the rush came and is still 

 going and the frustrations that were associated with the coal, the uranium 

 and the oil field, dug deeply into those people that were professional 

 conservationists, people that had dedicated their lives to environmental 

 issues in Wyoming. As a result, many of them left. Tom Bell is one 

 example and there are a number of others I can mention that eventually 

 faded away. There are many other people still there fighting this battle. 



However, coal is here to stay in Wyoming. Coal is here stay in this 

 part of the West. Maybe what we are looking and still searching for is 

 some sort of orderly development. In the Casper paper two days ago a 

 study revealed no alternative for the use of coal. My own position is I 

 would rather be with Barry Commoner who says there's a transitional 

 period necessary. The economics of this country dictate that a fast 

 changeover from nonrenewable energy to a renewable energy source has to 

 take a number of years and that's the way I invision the coal slurry 

 pipeline proposition. It's a 40-to 50-year propositon. Maybe even less 

 than that. But I think it's one that fits in well with this interim 

 turnover. Now what I am going to do is show you some slides. Some of 

 these slides I think will help show you how I invision the slurry pipeline 

 issue with special reference to the Madison formation of ETSI's project. 

 But the topic is slurry pipelines in your future. I'll wind up the talk 

 with legislation topic associated with slurry, pipelines and perhaps from 

 that you might be able to invision where slurry pipelines might be. So I 

 think that I will go from my comments here to my slides. I have number 

 of other ones but I think that most of them }r\a\/e been said by previous 

 speakers. Oh, I might mention my position with ETSI. That's a good one 

 to mention. I'm not with public relations. I'm not a lobbyist, I'm not in 

 the lobby picture. 1 am with the environmental impact statement picture. 

 I am trying to do a job for the company and I am their contact with the 

 government. And since I've been with them, I've been associated with 

 projects such as the Woodpecker and Arkansas and we've tried to take 

 some steps before the environmental statement to lessen impacts there. 

 I've been associated with bald eagle areas and we've avoided those. The 

 alligator issue in the Louisiana area... we've managed to take some steps 

 prior to the environmental impact statement. I've been involved with 

 issues of land restoration, social economics, water quality and water 

 quantity. So I think it's been an educational process for me and I am 

 trying to do a service for both sides of the table, both the industrial side 

 of the table and the environmental side. So let me tell you some of the 

 things that have influenced me to take this position with ETSI and to think 

 about the Madison formation as a source of water that would have a 

 minimum impact on those things that I hold dear. Okay. 



