be more specific about the rule-making process. Recognition should be 

 granted to the protection of wildlife habitat and the protection of 

 endangered species since the Montana State Legislature has recognized 

 suclr^animals as the black-footed ferret and other endangered species do 

 exist in Montana. The language in item two, rule 17 makes such pest 

 control mandatory. These requirments should carry some responsibilty 

 for the protection of species declared endangered in this state. When I 

 posed that question to State Lands, they replied "Good land management 

 requires that noxious weeds and pests be controlled. The state, as 

 lessor, requires that its lessees be responsible for this activity as part 

 of good husbandry. The lessee is also responsible for complying with 

 any laws or regulations relating to the protection of endangered 

 species." In other words, if I read this correctly, the lessee... and 

 this is pretty heavy stuff to dump on a lessee... is responsible for 

 endangered species. Now, again I want to emphasize that I'm 

 pro-grazing, don't get me wrong there. Recreation existed before the 

 Enabling Act and exists now. And I see no reason why it should stop. 

 I think I'll just bounce through some of these things here so I won't 

 cover them all. My goal is not to deprive anybody or any of the lessees 

 of anything they have. Business as usual. All I want to see is an 

 adequate wildlife plan. I want to know that on these public lands that 

 the wildlife is being managed properly. I feel that grazing and wildlife 

 are compatible, but I know of many sections here in the state that are 

 winter ranges for big game... that are grazed badly before the winter 

 season, before it's necessary to. But let me get back to what I was 

 saying here. I'm thinking of three things at once. Some of the winter 

 granges are actually destroyed before the elk come on to the range. 

 There's nothing for the elk to eat. Well, I don't think it's necessary to 

 graze winter ranges. I'm not saying the areas adjacent to that 

 shouldn't be grazed, but I do feel that the wildlife should be given 

 prime consideration. Thank you. 



JIM ZUMBO : I wish to introduce the next panelist who is the past 

 president of the North American Guide and Outfitters Association, Mr. 

 Norman Guth. 



NORMAN GUTH : As he mentioned I've been asked to speak on the 

 values and demands for and on scenic rivers. I've been an outfitter 

 for many years and 100 percent of my living is related in some way to 

 activities on a free-flowing stream. Although I operate a hunting camp, 

 I use a jet boat to get to it, so I have been involved rather extensively 

 in rivers and river management for quite a period of years. A free- 

 flowing river is today an extremely valuable resource. And one which, 

 I might mention, many other resources depend on, one being the 

 anadromous fish runs. I believe that there was probably a point in 



