The demands on rivers, of course, comes from irrigation and 

 power generaton. We're all very familar with the demands and the 

 increased emphasis that have been placed in these areas. I'm not going 

 to .^eak on either of these areas today because I can claim to be no 

 authority on either of these subjects. Recreation is probably the only 

 one that I have any background in. And as I mentioned, it also is 

 putting a very highly increased demand on these rivers. The demand 

 for this type of experience, in fact, over the last 20 years has 

 increased so drastically that the managing agencies have now gone to a 

 reservation system. In order to use these rivers you have to get a 

 reservation and there are many more people who put in for these 

 opportunities than ever really receive permits to make the trip for 

 which they've put in for. Most commercial operators, most outfitters 

 now have their schedules full early in the winter. They're also turning 

 away many, many people who would like to come and make the trips on 

 these rivers and are just not able to do it because the rivers are a 

 limited resource, as many other things that we have to deal with and 

 must be protected from over-use and abuse which could lead to their 

 destruction. 



These demands will continue to grow and we need people to 

 support classification of wild and scenic rivers so that rivers that are 

 available at this point in time that can be classified and preserved in 

 their free-flowing state. The balance has already been upset. Most of 

 our rivers, as I mentioned before, are already impounded. As we look 

 at energy we do see alternatives. There are alternative means and 

 methods of energy. We've heard a lot about some of them here. But 

 when it comes to a free-flowing river or one that contains spawns and 

 rears anadromous fish, there are no alternatives. There's only one way 

 to get them and there aren't very many left and they need to be 

 protected. I hope that you people would bear that in mind in the 

 articles and stories that you write and I thank you for this 

 opportunity. 



JIM ZUMBO : Thank you very much. Norm. Our next speaker is a 

 graduate of Utah State University, Mr. Dale Jones, who is the Director 

 of Wildlife and Fisheries for the entire United States Forest Service. 

 He is the chief of all the wildlife and fishery folks based in Washington, 

 D.C. It's a great deal of pleasure to welcome him here to Butte and to 

 a very busy schedule. He is going to talk about "The Future of 

 Hunting," instead of oil and gas and the other appropriate remarks he 

 has. Thank you. 



DALE JONES : Thank you Jim. Lke the previous speaker, I wish to 

 heck Jim and made a mistake where I was from, but he didn't. I 

 happen to be from that big city back there in Washington. 



It's really a pleasure to be here and I don't know how many times 

 I've heard speakers say that. And matter of fact, I think I've used 

 that term in several talks I have given, but it wasn't until after I 

 moved back to Washington, D.C, that I really knew the meaning of 

 those words and how much they came from the heart, to just be there. 



