quit at twelve that night and we were up again at seven the next 

 morning and we quit at five the next afternoon, trying to accomplish 

 this 'task that we were assigned and we feel that we did the best job 

 thaj^^could be done under the circumstances. And we hope these 

 changes will show in the Forest Manual to better aid the industry and 

 the public whom they serve. Thank you. 



JIM ZUMBO : Thank you Bill. I appreciate you filling in here on that 

 moments notice. 



And now we have our anchor man, Mr. Jack Wemple, who is the 

 President of the Montana Outfitters and Guides Association. Jack has 

 been guiding for 21 years. He's been a full-time outfitter for 12 years. 

 He comes from Victor in the Bitterroot country. And he is going to 

 talk to us on how the energy crunch will affect the outfitting business. 

 Sir. 



JACK WEMPLE : Thank you and it's my pleasure to be here for the 

 Montana Outfitters and Guides Association, and I think Dale touched 

 quite a bit on the energy and how it's effecting all of us. Especially in 

 industry, I think energy has been one of our biggest costs. Fuel is, I 

 know in my business, one of the great expenditures that we have. I 

 think with the energy crunch that we are facing today, you're going to 

 see a different type of outfitting come about. We're gonna lose 

 outfitters. Right now in Montana we have approximately 430 outfitters. 

 I think that we're going to lose quite a few of them due to the energy 

 crunch. People are not coming as they have in the past, I believe , to 

 the state for hunting and fishing and recreation. They will come, I 

 think, more like Dale said, to the areas where the easy access is. I've 

 talked to a lot of outfitters throughout the state and some of them say 

 that they have their bookings better this year than ever in the past. 

 Some say that they don't have any bookings. Talking to them... it's 

 the ones around the urban areas that do have the good bookings this 

 year. The ones that are way out in the outlying areas where it's tough 

 to get, where they normally have people drive to them, their bookings 

 are down. And in the long run, it might be better for our industry. 

 We might have a better, more viable industry in the future. I think 

 the outfitters are going to try to do more to keep the people a little 

 longer. They are going to try to diversity their operation to where 

 they can offer the public a service on a longer term, rather than just a 

 week's fishing trip or a week's hunting trip or something of that 

 nature. I don't believe the energy crunch came about as a lot say it 

 has. I feel--and I get in trouble everytime I say this--but I feel 

 government has created quite a bit of it. With environmental problems 

 that have come about in the last five to ten years, although we've got 

 the resource, I feel we just are not able to get it to produce it. I 

 think in relation to outfitting it kind of has created a bad problem with 

 us and it will in the future. 



I would like to push on to another little item here as to our 

 industry, which is about $60 million industry to the state and the 



