The story that Jim mentioned was one that we got into with the 

 Secret Service. We always carry a couple of heavy revolvers on each 

 trip in case we run into a problem with a bad bear. So during the 

 preparations for the trip, all of our friends said, "Boy that's one trip 

 you guys ain't gonna take them big guns on." So when I met with the 

 advance planning team the first night I got the guy that was the head 

 of the Secret Service to one side and I said "We always take a couple of 

 big hand guns along in case we run into a problem bear and I don't 

 suppose you guys are gonna want us to take them guns?" He looked at 

 me and he said, "Bears?" I said, "Yeah, every now and then I have to 

 kill a bear." He said, "You guys bring those guns. We're scared of 

 them bears." So we got along great with those people. I think the 

 question that I hope nobody will ask and the one that I've had asked 

 more times than any other question, I think, since the trip, is "Why 

 didn't you drown him while you had him on the river?" And my answer 

 is "If you'd had a Secret Service man sitting in the back of that boat 

 with his hand on a sawed-off shotgun, you wouldn't of thought about 

 drowning him either." Thank you. 



JIM ZUMBO: I'm waiting for you to write a book on that trip one of 

 these days. Okay. Do we have any questions for our panelists on 

 what they've covered this afternoon? 



QUESTION : Mr. Atcheson, do you run into any problems with people 

 hunting rivers. . .floating down rivers and access to land that way? 



ATCHESON: Now myself, I haven't run into any. Dr. Antonioli here 

 in Butte has, I don't recall the story exactly, but he encountered a 

 man with a rifle that told him to leave. And, he left. 



QUESTION : Do you know the state policies on that? 



ATCHESON : The State Land Department has given the lessee, more 



or less the option to close his land if he wants to, which he can do at 

 any point. For example a legislator yesterday pointed out to me that 

 he is a rancher in eastern Montana and he had been crossing this 

 section of state land and private land for years. And after you use 

 private land--cross it for like five years--you more or less have the 

 right to use it for access to a degree. But on state land, this can be 

 closed instantly and he told me that he had been using this one road 

 for years and all of a sudden his neighbor decided he didn't want them 

 to use that land any more and cut it off. Just like that. So, in other 

 words, the lessee actually had more control over the state land than he 

 did his own private land. But there is a suit now by a coalition here 

 in Butte pertaining to floating down the Dearborn River and one of the 

 sections of land that is on the Dearborn River is a piece of state land. 

 I don't know what part, if any part, of the suit that would be. But I 

 am sure that you wouldn't have to look very far to find a lot of state 

 land you are barred from fishing on. Mostly because you've got to get 

 on to the land somehow to fish and if they've got the sign up that says 

 no trespassing, in theory they can stop you. I don't think that if you 

 suddenly decided that you didn't want to be arrested and wanted to 

 test that case, then--this is my opinion--! think if it went to the 

 Supreme Court or even another court, that you may not be convicted. 



