up to five years. This is all he is buying. He pays so much a head 

 for each of his guests that are on the forest land, for his livestock and 

 has the right to establish that camp and to graze his livestock in that 

 viclnTty if there is grazing provided in that area. 



QUESTION : Does he have any protection from other persons coming 

 into that area? 



These camp areas can be posted and that posting is to 



protect that site and reserve that site for the outfitter. 



QUESTION : Mr. Jones, you had mentioned a mandatory 80-hour 



training program. Would you elaborate a little more about what you 

 expect to cover in 80 hours and perhaps give any thought on financing 

 such an elaborate course. 



JONES: The 80-hour course came from a book that involved the 



European hunting situation, and they go into a considerable amount of 

 work on basic ecology, for one thing. Each person that receives the 

 first license, I would assume, would have such things as the 

 understanding at least, let's say, of the relationship between the 

 wildlife and the habitat. There's a lot of people that really do not have 

 the respect, mainly because they don't really understand what this 

 business is all about. 



Sometimes there are six to eight hours of hunter safety with 

 firearms, which is good but it does not go far enough in my estimation. 

 And the thing that I am talking about is attempting to make the hunter 

 more respected. In the books on European forestry, some of the people 

 that are the most respected over there are the hunters themselves. I 

 don't know that we'll ever achieve and I don't even know that we want 

 the European type of hunting, the quality that is built into that and 

 the appreciation that they have is a very important thing that hopefully 

 would strengthen hunting in this country. 



One little scheme that I've thought about as far as what would be 

 received as a reward from this thing, involves the possibility of tying 

 in some private landowners who are tired of their land being torn up, 

 say with the public-type hunter and that at the end of the completion 

 of such a course, these people would have access to that private land. 

 Now there would have to be a charge for it. There's no question in my 

 mind that the hunter, too long, has expected the private landowner to 

 put up with the hunting and raising the wildlife without any incentive 

 for that landowner. So I think that that's a change that has just got 

 to come about. I do believe that we're going to have to pay for that. 

 But if the person pays and he has a place that he can get some quality 

 hunting, I think that would spread to the next person who might want 

 to take the course. And I would assume that the hunter himself is 

 going to have to pay the price of that instruction. 



QUESTION : Going along with this, when I have hunted in Europe I 

 was required to buy an insurance policy to cover any cows that I might 

 shoot. What do you think about that? 



