ZUMBO : Sure. As far as Dick Randall is concerned Bill, I don't 



agree with what Randall stood for and what he did. For those of you 

 that weren't aware, you are probably familiar with this bobcat thing 

 where Defenders of Wildlife were taking on the various states to impose 

 an import ban on bobcats. And Randall went back to Washington with 

 Defenders of Wildlife and he was very successfully out-debated by Doug 

 Crow, who is, in my estimation, a genius with the Wyoming Game and 

 Fish Commission. And that's not to say that the material that Randall 

 gave me was false. I disagree with Randall. Like I said, I'm a trapper 

 myself and I don't think that really bears on the research that he 

 personally did when he was with the Fish and Wildlife Service. As far 

 as aerial hunting from airplanes and comparing it with sport hunting 

 and gunning, commerically, whatever, now you want me to expand on 

 hunting coyotes from airplanes, both for the government and for sport 

 hunting, right? 



QUESTION : No, you said that they went out in 82 choppers, that 



they were aerial hunting. 



ZUMBO : Oh no, they were after coyotes. They were trying to 



prove that they could successfully kill coyotes. They were working for 

 the government, the Fish and Wildlife Service. But that brings up a 

 point, you wanted me to tell about. Bill Brown and I are good friends. 

 You might not know it from this meeting, but I shoot coyotes. You can 

 write to the Department of Agriculture in Wyoming, a state agency, and 

 tell them you'd like to hunt coyotes from an airplane and they say fine. 

 Send us your pilot's license number and we'll send you a free 

 application and you can go out and shoot coyotes in Wyoming. The 

 only other thing that you need to do is get permission from the County 

 Predator Board which is 100 percent no problem. In fact, even the 

 BLM and the Forest Service, the way I understand it, don't have any 

 control over where you can hunt coyotes on public land from an 

 airplane. And I don't think that any damn animal should be hunted 

 from an airplane. Now with the exception of some problem cases. I 

 was on a Game and Fish Commission once to hunt coyotes from airplanes 

 over winter game areas. We were having a very heavy predation 

 problem with coyotes on antelope fawns. Okay, that's an exception. 

 That's something else, but to go out as a sport hunter and shoot a 

 coyote from an airplane, I don't go for it. And I think, as a 

 sportsman again, that's the kind of thing that's going to do us in as 

 hunters because that's the first thing that the anti-hunter is going to 

 home in on. Look what those jerks out there are doing. They're 

 flying from airplanes and shooting animals. 



QUESTION : Isn't this true that with the 1080 controversy it could 



perhaps be a lot of the reason that the easterners. Friends of Animals, 

 what-have-you, are involved as much as they are? 



ZUMBO: Absolutely. I'm sure it certainly is 1080. I'd like to see 



the toxic collar. I'd like to see 1080 used in toxic collars for example 

 and I think we need to explore these things. I'd like to see more 

 research on 1080. Easterners are really watching us folks, they really 

 are. 



