QUESTION : Jim, one thing I would like to bring up is on this M44. 



I think if you'd check into the present M44, you'll find out that none of 

 them are loaded with a 38 cartridge. They've been outlawed for a long 

 tirtife and you left the impression that they are very dangerous. I 

 myself have set them out. If you pick one up in your hand and it goes 

 off it will not break the skin in your hand. It could not hurt your 

 child if he picked up. If he did and it went in his mouth, yes. It will 

 kill your dog, I'll very much agree with that. And it will kill a fox. 

 But as far as being dangerous to the public, the full one, they are of 

 no danger whatsoever. And you left the impression that they could 

 blow your head off if you touch one and that is very incorrect. Now 

 the one that you saw down there could have been set illegally by 

 somebody. 



It was set illegally. They're all old getters and are 



illegal. 



QUESTION : But don't condemn the entire program because of 



something that is illegally done. / 



ZUMBO : All I'm saying is these things are out there where my wife 



and kids and dogs play, and M44's are not propelled with as much force 



as the old coyote getters, they're spring loaded, your right. But 



there's still sodium cyanide crystals in them and those things are not 



discriminatory. 



QUESTION : No, but they're in a capsule. 



They're in a capsule and anything that touches them makes it 



go off and it kills them. It might not break the skin like the the 38 

 can, I agree, but they're still out there. 



QUESTION : I've had a hundred of those damned time cyanide guns 



go off in my hands and I'm still here, so they're not nearly as 

 dangerous as. . . 



ZUMBO : Well, there was a guy in Texas, a surveyor, who had one 



go off in his hand and he's dead now. That's documented. I don't 

 want any going off in my hand, I'll tell you that, not with cyanide 

 being used. 



QUESTION : Do you think that the sport hunter and aerial gunning 



is a very good alternative to the use of these? 



No. Not at all. I don't know what the answer 



not up here to draw a conclusion. Coyotes are too smart. You know, 

 they get a college education when you shoot at them and miss them. 



