No, sportsmen are not an alternative. I think trapping is a great way 

 to go. I'm a trapper and I just can't see the United States government 

 spending my money to go out there and kill coyotes and I'm not so 

 damn sure that they're killing. As far as economics is concerned, we 

 talked about that yesterday. Sport hunting is not an alternative. It 

 would be stupid to say it was because there's not enough sport hunters 

 that can go out there and kill every coyote that comes in sight so they 

 just wise them up. I don't answer your question do I? I don't know 

 what the answer is. 



Q'GARA : I've got to say a word or two before I ask for another 



question. Jim, you were talking about sport hunters taking coyotes 

 from planes. There's an awful lot of aerial hunting here in Montana 

 but it's not sport hunting. It's business. A rancher has a helicopter 

 and he'll go out and pick up four or five, six, seven hundred coyotes 

 in a winter. At $100 a pelt, that's not sport. It's business. There's 

 very few people doing it for sport. A guy might enjoy it while he's 

 doing it but it's the dollars that's promoting the aerial hunting here. I 

 wanted to say one thing on this fellow Randall you were talking about 

 and how he knew what he had killed with 1080. This was years ago. 

 I'd love to know how he knew what he killed with 1080. You give an 

 animal a lethal dose and he'll probably be 24 hours dying. To give an 

 eagle a lethal dose, you have to really load him down. I've fed eagles 

 1080 for two weeks and I haven't been able to kill them. They'd go an 

 awful long ways. 

 ZUMBO : I'd document that if you'd like to know. 



I'd like to know how it's documented. 



ZUMBO : I'll read it off right here if you'd like. 



Q'GARA : The process that they've just started using is pretty 



accurate but you have to have the whole stomach of the animal for that 

 and by the old process we tried quite a bit to document what was 1080 

 poisoning and what wasn't. I've just been through a deal on that. 

 They're poisoning Columbian ground squirrles with 1080 or they did last 

 year, in western Montana, and we were picking up a lot of animals and 

 we couldn't, with the best laboratory facilities, prove whether those 

 were or weren't so I'm just wondering how Randall proved that. 



QUESTION : Mr. Cronberg, I'd like to address my feelings, as a 



trapper, to you. I'm a member of the Montana Trappers Association 

 and I speak not for them but for myself. I've taeen intensively 

 trapping during winters for two years, but I haven't been able to 

 obtain permission from landowners, particularly for coyotes, to trap. 

 Perhaps it a duel problem but a lot of the fellows are employing 

 government trappers and they have their friends and families and I 

 recognize your right to restrict trapping on private property. I 



