respect that right or I wouldn't be knocking on doors. But it's 

 difficult for me to be sympathetic as a sportsman and a 

 semi-professional trapper, to your problems when the dollar value in 

 th^coyote supersedes that. There's no way we can work together that 

 seems to help each other out and I think that is what's happening. 

 Could you respond to that? 



CRONBERG : I'm not sure I understand the last part of your 



question. The first part of it, however, relative to who shall or shall 

 not be allowed to trap on lands, I speak for the ranchers that I work 

 with closely. They feel basically, that an inept person out there can 

 cause a lot more problems than somebody who knows what they're doing 

 and we don't know whether you know what you're doing or not. But if 

 you go out there and take a couple toes off a coyote or shoot them up 

 and don't get them, that's one you don't get next time. Now we did 

 discuss a possible program whereby we would receive some sort of a 

 certification process that would, in other words, attest that you were 

 competent in this area and we would distribute these names around to 

 our ranchers who are having problems and they in turn would contact 

 you and allow you then to trap on their land. Now because of the fact 

 that the hearings got in the way we never really got this problem off 

 the ground. We are interested in help from people who know what 

 they're going. But we don't want a lot of people out there running 

 around scaring the coyotes. 



"The stockmen understand the problems but in the past some of 

 them have been pretty insensitive to the public's liking for predators 

 and have done some things that have outraged the public against the 

 predator control." 



O'GARA : Further questions for anyone? I guess our time is getting 



rather short. I'm just going to sum up a couple of thoughts I had 

 listening to people here. I kind of wish maybe we'd talk about 

 predator management instead of predator control. Management is 

 flexible--it could mean complete protection in one time and place and it 

 could range to very heavy control in another time and place. I think 



