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have not identified any Forest Service parcels that would nec- 

 essarily be a part of this land trade. So I think we have that work 

 to continue as it is now ongoing before we have identified particu- 

 lar parcels that would be traded in order to avoid the development 

 of the New World Mine. 



Chairman Hansen. Don't you really plan on asking to waive suf- 

 ficiency on that? 



Under Secretary Lyons. No, sir. 



Chairman Hansen. So we've got 10, 12, or 15 years then before 

 anything comes about; is that right? 



Under Secretary Lyons. No. This is the new policy, Mr. Chair- 

 man. 



Chairman HANSEN. I've sat here for 16 years on this Committee 

 and we've waived sufficiency just like that, and now the President 

 of the United States says it, and I have a hard time believing that 

 we're not going to start waiving sufficiency again, but I won't get 

 into that, Mr. Lyons, because I know we could embarrass one an- 

 other and neither of us wants to do that. I'll let that one go for 

 right now, but keep that in mind on the Snow Basin exchange, will 

 you. 



Under Secretary Lyons. I will, Mr. Chairman. 



Chairman Hansen. With that said, Mr. John Doolittle, Chairman 

 of Water and Power, which I didn't go to today because I was sit- 

 ting here, I would be happy to turn to you. 



Mr. Doolittle. Mr. Chairman, I have the same excuse for not 

 being here earlier, and I beg your indulgence. 



I have a constituent here, Mr. Blaine Cornell, and I want to wel- 

 come him. I'm sorry I missed your testimony, but I was chairing 

 a hearing that the Chairman didn't attend. There's a lot going on 

 today. 



I'm interested, ladies and gentlemen of the panel, I have the im- 

 pression that not much salvage logging has occurred in my Con- 

 gressional District due largely to the interim guidelines in effect for 

 the California spotted owl. My District stretches from Lake Tahoe 

 on the North down to the Sierra Nevadas through Yosemite and 

 into and including all of Mono County. 



Could you give me just rough figures if you've got them today, 

 but maybe in a submission later on to the Committee specific fig- 

 ures or precise figures of what percentage of the proposed salvage 

 plan for California that affects our District has been accomplished. 



Under Secretary LYONS. I'm going to have to provide that infor- 

 mation to you for the record, Mr. Doolittle, but I'll be glad to do 

 so. 



Mr. Doolittle. OK, because I had heard you say, or at least I 

 think I understood you to say in response to Mr. Herger's question 

 that 90 percent of what was proposed in Region V is on track and 

 being accomplished. We've had mills close and people have just 

 been devastated by what has happened in my District, and I don't 

 have the sense that we've really experienced much effect from 

 salvaged logging. 



Chief, do you have any impression about that? 



Chief Thomas. Yes, sir. I have the numbers in front of me by re- 

 gion. Region V, we've sold 681 million to date with essentially 312 

 remaining out of a total available of 933. 



