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Mr. DOOLITTLE. You don't have that broken down further than 

 that, do you, other than just Region V? 



Under Secretary LYONS. Well we don't have it by Congressional 

 District. 



Mr. Doolittle. But you do have it by forests perhaps, don't you? 



Under Secretary LYONS. Yes. 



Mr. Doolittle. For instance, in the Stanislaus Forest, what 

 would be the figures for that? 



Under Secretary Lyons. Salvage sold to date is 47 million, 38 

 million remaining. 



Mr. Doolittle. OK. That's maybe 60 percent. It looks like it's 

 about maybe a 60/40 split there, but that's quite different, isn't it, 

 than the figures you gave me for the region as a whole? Didn't you 

 say 681 million had been sold and 312 million remained? 



Under Secretary Lyons. Correct. 



Mr. Doolittle. Would you know what would account for that 

 discrepancy between the general trend in the region versus this 

 particular forest? 



Under Secretary Lyons. I could caution you to draw any conclu- 

 sions about general trends from the regional numbers as a whole. 

 It varies widely from forest to forest, and I couldn't comment spe- 

 cifically on the situation in the Stanislaus. 



Mr. Doolittle. I'm just concerned because, as you can see, it's 

 almost the exact opposite of what has gone on in the region where 

 60 percent of the timber to be salvaged has been salvaged in the 

 region, and yet in the case of this forest 60 percent remains to be — 

 excuse me — no, actually it looks like we're on track. I think that 

 correlates. Go ahead. 



Under Secretary Lyons. I was going to say I think you are, and 

 just to clear up any question, by our estimates just under 5 million 

 board feet was subjected to additional review by the Secretary's 

 salvage directive. So it was a relatively small proportion. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. Five million in the Stanislaus was subjected to 

 additional review? 



Under Secretary Lyons. Yes, which may not meet the definition 

 of imminently susceptible as was refined by the Secretary. 



Mr. Doolittle. We've had a lot of problems with this issue, the 

 California spotted owl, which is neither threatened nor endangered, 

 and yet we continue to live with these interim guidelines. They 

 were going to release the new draft, the Forest Service was, and 

 then we had the Administration announce through the Agriculture 

 Secretary and the White House Chief of Staff that they had con- 

 cerns that it was not supported by the best forest science and they 

 withdrew the proposal. 



I guess I would just ask you to comment. I've got a letter here 

 from a member of the SNEP team, Constance I. Millar[sic], who 

 charges that indeed the Clinton Administration itself is the one 

 that has disregarded good science rather than acting in the name 

 of good science. I think it's a rather strong quote that in this letter 

 addressed to Dr. James Space[sic], the Station Director, USDA For- 

 est Service, PSW Research Station, Albany, California where she 

 says, and I'll just quote the highlights of it. "Recent actions by the 

 Administration to postpone the release of the revised draft environ- 

 mental impact statement for managing the California spotted owl 



