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Mr. Doolittle. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 



Chairman Hansen. Thank you very much. I appreciate you being 

 here, and if it's OK with everyone I'll leave. I'll leave anyway. 



Mr. Doolittle. [Presiding.] Mr. Herger. 



Mr. Herger. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lyons and Mr. Jack Ward Thomas, I appreciate all of you 

 for appearing before us. If it appears that I'm somewhat concerned 

 here, I have to let you know and just relate a little bit of what's 

 going in the District I represent which, as I mentioned earlier, has 

 parts or all of eight national forests in it. Just this last month we 

 had our 30th mill in my District close because of a lack of timber 

 to be able to use in the mill, and that was in Hayfork. 



I've put a couple of new pictures up here, and what we saw of 

 the blow-down is not the typical out there, but it is what we feel 

 is an incredibly flagrant example of just what is obvious that we 

 should be getting out of the forests, and we can't even get that out. 



So my concern is for the people I represent in Hayfork, which is 

 Trinity County that Hayfork is in. We've had as high as 21.5 per- 

 cent unemployment. So there are many, many real people with 

 children and families that are affected by what we feel out in the 

 field is a policy that just is not working. So again I apologize if I 

 seem to come on strongly, but it's because of the very upset, to put 

 it mildly, constituents who I represent. 



Let me just get back if I could and, Mr. Lyons, maybe you're not 

 aware of what is out here. Maybe that is it. I have to take you at 

 your word. You mentioned when we were talking earlier that you 

 felt the salvage program was working well, and you mentioned 

 maybe the numbers weren't right. I have some letters from the 

 Forest Service in front of me. So let me quote from the Forest Serv- 

 ice here and from letters that we have to go over these numbers 

 that I mentioned. Maybe I didn't state them correctly before. So let 

 me restate this. 



We have letter that was sent from Secretary Glickman to Chair- 

 man Young on September 1st of '95 in which he said at that time 

 he felt for California we could get an additional 103.7 million board 

 feet of salvage. So that was in addition to what the Forest Service 

 normally would get out. 



I also have in front of me an internal memo from Region V in 

 which their opening paragraph is. Under our interpretation of the 

 Secretary's memo of this last summer, the Chiefs letter and the 

 clarification notes the region would not sell the following sales that 

 had been previously planned to be sold under P.L. 104-19. 



And then we look at the total, and this is for California, which 

 is 85,800,000 board feet, and that figures out to 83 percent of what 

 we thought was going to be additional salvage timber that we 

 would get out that we're not getting out. 



Now let's look at a picture that is typical. The center one here 

 is typical of the forests in my District, and I represent about 17 

 percent of the land area of the State of California. It's the north- 

 eastern corner. And flying over our District, that center picture, 

 those dead an dying trees that you see is very typical. That's about 

 40 percent I believe they estimated, and we have areas where we 

 have 70 percent, up to 70 percent where it's dead and dying, again, 

 because of, as you mentioned in your testimony, 7 out of 10 years 



