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Mr. Herger. — because you have succeeded in stalling it long 

 enough where it's not worth anything to anyone. 



Under Secretary Lyons. But, Mr. Herger, we're not stalling the 

 933 million board foot program that constitutes the salvage pro- 

 gram in California. We're talking about a small percentage, and 

 the volume on the sales that you're talking about is under 10 mil- 

 lion board feet I believe. 



My point is simply this. These are all the characteristics. There 

 is no one answer here, and I just want to be clear. You know, we're 

 doing our best to prepare sales consistent with the direction that 

 we receive from the Congress and consistent with the clarification 

 that the Secretary provides us. 



Mr. Herger. Does that include the salvage bill? 



Under Secretary LYONS. Yes. 



Mr. Herger. You're not implementing the salvage bill right now. 



Under Secretary Lyons. Well I beg to differ. 



Mr. Herger. Well again I think you need to come out to Califor- 

 nia and see what's happening. 



Under Secretary LYONS. I would be glad to come out to Califor- 

 nia, Mr. Herger. 



Mr. Herger. I can tell you we are not implementing the salvage 

 bill because of the directives of the Secretary anyway. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. Let me just observe that I understand there is 

 another example of a mill cutting back the Sierra forest products. 

 A company at Terra Bella has just announced they're reducing op- 

 erations to one shift with a permanent layoff of 30 or 40 people. 

 The Sequoia National Forest had planned to sell about 50 million 

 board feet of timber, mostly salvage, but only 4 or 5 million board 

 feet has been sold, and thus we have the layoff. I mean that's typi- 

 cal, Mr. Lyons, of what we have going on in our area. 



So, hearing these representations that the Forest Service has 

 done an excellent job and this and that, that is not our experience 

 in my part of California. This salvage bill has been hamstrung 

 right from the start by the Administration's interpretation, and 

 this is just an illustration. Fifty million board feet planned, but 

 only 4 or 5 million actually is taken. 



Under Secretary Lyons. Again I don't want to disagree with you, 

 Mr. Doolittle, except my numbers don't reflect the numbers that 

 you're quoting. So I would be glad to sit down with you and get 

 those numbers ironed out. 



Mr. Doolittle. OK. Please give us your figures. I would actually 

 appreciate, if you don't mind, having a breakdown of the Fourth 

 Congressional District. Can you do that? 



Under Secretary Lyons. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Doolittle. For your purposes I think it would be easy be- 

 cause the only split county is Sacramento, and I don't think you 

 have anything going in Sacramento County anyway. 



Chief Thomas. Sir, we can provide that and provide it rather 

 quickly, but the data I'm looking at indicates that we had a total 

 available on the Sierra of 70.5, and 55.1 has been sold leaving 15.4 

 pending. 



Mr. Doolittle. This was the Sequoia I was saying. 



Chief Thomas. Sequoia? 



Mr. Doolittle. Yes. 



