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Mrs. Vucanovich. Thank you, Senator Hecht. 



Senator Hecht. I see Robert Burford out here, the Director of the 

 Bureau of Land Management. I think he has "squatter's rights" on 

 this bill. I was here this morning for a hearing, and he was here 

 then. He has not gone yet. 



In the essence of time, I am going to ask Mr. Horn, Mr. Burford, 

 Mr. Leonard and Mr. Bok to all four come up. Using the preroga- 

 tive of the Chairman, we have a lot of people from Nevada who 

 have flown out at considerable expense to themselves, with time 

 and effort away from their jobs, their businesses and their homes, 

 so I am going to ask all of you to limit your testimony so that they 

 can have a few extra minutes. Is that fair enough? 



If you want an3^hing put into the record, please do so. But, 

 please, summarize your testimony. 



Bob, you may want to go on first, since you have been here all 

 morning. You may then want to leave. That would be fine with me. 

 You can only stay in this room about 12 hours a day, and then we 

 kick you out when we clean up. [General laughter.] 



STATEMENT OF ROBERT F. BURFORD, DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF 

 LAND MANAGEMENT, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR 



Mr. Burford. My 12 hours are already up. 



Senator Hecht. Well, then, talk fast. [General laughter.] 



Mr. Burford. I am not noted for that. 



Senator Hecht. Well, then, you will be shut off, and I am noted 

 for that. [General laughter.] 



Mr. Burford. In reference to S. 59, I would like to enter my tes- 

 timony into the record and will very briefly summarize the Depart- 

 ment of the Interior's position. 



We could support enactment of S. 59 if it were amended to in- 

 clude more States. We think that because it takes in only the State 

 of Nevada, there are not enough savings in dollars or in personnel 

 to go ahead with this. 



We would like to see the Committee work with some of the sur- 

 rounding States to get at least one group of States together, which 

 would allow a part of the Interchange to go ahead. 



What we see and what the Forest Service may state on their own 

 is that this change in one State only may leave one part of the 

 forest operating under different rules than other parts of the 

 forest. 



We are also concerned that some of the areas of BLM land that 

 are being transferred to the forest have some applications on them 

 for Recreation and Public Purposes Act (R&PP) sites for camps, 

 schools, et cetera. The Forest Service does not have the R&PP au- 

 thority and this bill does not give it to them. So if you do go ahead 

 with the bill, I would suggest you give the Forest Service R&PP, 

 that you add R&PP legislation to it, because some of your commu- 

 nities out there do need some of that land and need to be able to 

 acquire some of it. 



As far as S. 854, the other bill that is up for consideration, we 

 are in favor of that bill. I think that Mr. Horn is going to present 

 the Administration position's on it. But, speaking for the Bureau of 



