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diculous, that it is much higher. And the jobs — the multiplier ef- 

 fect — I don't think we will see the true devastation from that for 

 five or ten years. 



Mr. Hansen. We had a lumberjack here from Washington, and 

 he used a much higher figure. He sat there in his flannel shirt and 

 said 35,000. And he said they went to Montana, Idaho, and others 

 and tried to be retrained, and it was a very emotional experience. 

 He said, "Why should we have to? Here we are doing a very valu- 

 able service for the people in America." He said, "This is what my 

 father did and my grandfather did. Why do we have to do this?" 

 And it is very hard to equate a species to something that is so close 

 to them as taking care of their families and that type of thing. 



Ms. Bailey. Well, and these are communities that have forest 

 health problems. I can stand at my kitchen window in Hayfork and 

 look out and see dead timber that grew in numbers each day, and 

 we couldn't harvest that. One thing that happened to me, we are 

 trying to buy a house in Wisconsin. And we had used up all of our 

 savings so we had some equity in our home in Hayfork and had 

 been promised a loan for approximately $40,000. We only owed 

 nine, and so they were going to let us take that much equity out. 



When they announced the closure of the mill and I went to se- 

 cure that loan, they said, "We are sorry. We are not going to be 

 able to loan you that money any longer because now there is no 

 security in the community because the mill is gone, and we are 

 afraid people are going to default on their loans." So overnight 

 what — I thought I hadn't lost everything, but I really had because 

 I even lost the ability to take the equity out of that home. 



And so the ramifications — it is not just the people that worked 

 in the industry. There are retired people that put their whole life 

 savings into these communities, and they just lost the equity in 

 their homes. 



Mr. Hansen. It is always the periphery thing we have to look at, 

 you know. The anchor store may be a military base or the lumber 

 area or a mine or whatever, but when the anchor store goes, the 

 periphery is tremendous. That is why there are big fights on these 

 base closing things on the military. Well, President Clinton prom- 

 ised you folks at his Forest Summit he would end all that gridlock, 

 and you would be OK. How did that turn out? 



Ms. Bailey. Well, that is $29 milHon later into the Northwest, 

 and I have spoken with many unemployed loggers that have called 

 me and tried to go through the retraining programs. Most of them 

 are told, "I am sorry. You don't fit into the slot so there is nothing 

 we can do with you." 



In 1990, there was one environmental consultant in Trinity 

 County listed. Now there is about 20, the very people that spent 

 time litigating now have environmental consulting firms. And if 

 you think I am exaggerating, there is a list at the State of Califor- 

 nia for everybody that applied for an Option 9 grant, and they 

 range from acupuncture clinics to sewer systems in Garberville. 

 That money went to fund everything but helping the rural logger 

 that wanted to restart his life after this. 



It is incredible to me that something like this could go on. For 

 example, my husband — after we decided that it was too far to com- 

 mute eight hours, we decided to move from Hayfork down to Red- 



