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ding, which is about an hour and a half away. We used up our sav- 

 ings. We were deeply in debt by then and had owned our own 

 house so we never had to rent. 



I found a house in Redding, and they needed $2,400 for me to 

 walk in the door. And I didn't have that kind of money so I called 

 up an agency that had gotten about, oh, $1 million to help bridge 

 the gap for timber workers was their motto. And I said, you know, 

 "I don't want a gift, but I would like a loan of money to put the 

 deposit on this rental house." 



And they said, "I am sorry, Mrs. Bailey. There is really nothing 

 we can do for you because your husband already has a job. Now, 

 if he will quit that job, then come into our training program, then 

 we will retrain him, and then we will give you the money you need 

 to relocate to somewhere else." And I said, "You want him to quit 

 his job. He has no unemployment. What are we supposed to live 

 on until then?" 



And it was beyond their comprehension that we wouldn't be will- 

 ing to jump through — and I think we are typical. Most of the men 

 in the timber industry that I know of have never taken a Federal 

 dollar in their life, and the minute they walked into the places that 

 were giving them out were told — explained the hoops they were 

 going to have to jump through to get that money, they just turned 

 around and walked out again. And some never stopped walking. So 

 it is a real, real tragedy, and I hope that someday the money that 

 has been wasted and squandered will be accounted for. 



Mr. Hansen. Well, that whole thing turned out to be a night- 

 mare up in that particular area, and I think someday that should 

 be chronicled and should be brought up when we talk the Endan- 

 gered Species Act. Actually, I think in this committee we came up 

 with a good piece of legislation which, in my opinion, the environ- 

 mental community has made it appear like we are doing away with 

 the entire Act. This one was one that modified it and gave local 

 input, and I would just wish those who would criticize it would fol- 

 low the old adage as, "Please read the bill and speak to the bill in- 

 stead of emotions." But the Robert Redford mentality is to speak 

 in emotions. 



Ms. Bailey. That is right. 



Mr. Hansen. Just think. He was almost the Park Director, which 

 makes me shiver at the thought. Anyway, Mr. Phelps, what was 

 the cost of that lawsuit that tied up 282 million feet of timber? 

 What did that cost? 



Mr. Phelps. About $4 million. 



Mr. Hansen. What was the cost of the EIS, which had released 

 the timber without the lawsuit? 



Mr. Phelps. Actually, I am sorry. That was $4 million. The new 

 EIS — it is going to cost us — the different lot that the court ordered 

 will cost about $2 million more. 



Mr. Hansen. Wow. Mr. Bennett, you had pointed out that one 

 person had — I can't remember the figure — 52 appeals — just one 

 person? 



Mr. Bennett. Fifty-two out of fifty-seven, about 91 percent. 

 Right. 



Mr. Hansen. What standing did this individual have? 



