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million dollars there, as estimated in value last year, and again it 

 is very difficult to identify it. 



Senator Wirth. If that destroys the resource then you are really 

 in long-term deep trouble. Senator Murkowski has talked about 

 this on the floor of the Senate; he certainly has been an advocate 

 for your industry, your Senator from Alaska. 



Mr. Bacon. The term anadromous is a term that spawns in the 

 streams and then goes to the ocean until it reaches adulthood and 

 then goes back up into the freshwater streams so it is that anadro- 

 mous, the use of that freshwater environment and that habitat 

 that is so critical to these issues that we are talking about here. It 

 is so important because without that habitat and protection the 

 salmon — well, the life cycle would not be able to complete itself. 



Ms. Troll. We are talking here in an optimistic vein hoping that 

 you Senators will take some aggressive action on the high seas and 

 we are concerned that if you are successful at that that the fish 

 will have someplace to return to. 



Senator Wirth. The fish go out and spend two or three years out 

 there? 



Ms. Troll. It is like cows going out to pasture 



Senator Wirth. They do not go out there for — they go out there 

 for two or three years and then come back in to spawn? 



Senator Murkowski. They return to the streams where they 

 were born. 



Now if I would not be out of line I would like to point out one 

 thing in our testimony, that I referred to but I did not get to — Sen- 

 ator Burns referred to a question he asked to the previous panel, 

 just a point or two, I will not say anything, I just want to let you 

 know I was going to pass this out. 



[Document handed to Senator Burns.] 



Senator Wirth. You have all been heard. I thank you very much 

 and I appreciate your understanding of the tight schedule and ev- 

 erybody else is in the same sort of thing. Thank you very much for 

 being with us. 



The next panel, if they will come to the table with the sixth 

 panel moving into the on-deck circle. This panel is Mr. Dale Pihl- 

 man. Outdoor Alaska, Mr. Neil MacKinnon, Alaska Miners Asso- 

 ciation, Bill Leighty, Gold Creek Salmon Bake and Jan Ross, 

 Alaska Cruise Lectures. You all are coming up, our next group, 

 please take your places. 



Now we will start with Mr. Pihlman. 



Mr; Pihlman is not here so he is really helping our schedule. 



Mr. MacKinnon. 



STATEMENT OF NEIL MacKINNON, CHAIRMAN, JUNEAU BRANCH, 

 ALASKA MINERS ASSOCIATION 



Mr. MacKinnon. Thank you. My name is Neil MacKinnon and I 

 am the Chairman of the Juneau Branch of the Alaska Miners As- 

 sociation; however because our chapter's membership extends 

 throughout southeast Alaska, I am speaking today for the orga- 

 nized mining interests of all of southeast Alaska. 



We are very concerned about the pending legislation and the 

 impact which it is likely to have on the mining interests of this 



