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food will still be out there in China and elsewhere and the Soviet 

 Union, is that right, and that demand would be met by those coun- 

 tries that come into this country and buy out — and buying also our 

 beef. 



Senator Burns. You might feed it down there but it starts up in 

 our country. 



Senator Wirth. Thank you all. 



Mr. PiHLMAN. If it pleases you, I have some Alaska Department 

 of Fish and Game documents relating to the management of the 

 stream problems; would you like those in the record? 



Senator Wirth. Sure. Thank you very much, we appreciate you 

 being here. 



What we are going to do now is take a short three-minute recess 

 and then back to Panel VI and Panel VI can move in to the — we 

 will have our final panel slip in to the on-deck circle. 



[Recess taken.] 



Senator Wirth. The committee will come back to order. 



While I am introducing this panel you might have Panel VII join 

 us. 



The sixth panel: Mr. Martin Pihl is President and General Man- 

 ager of Ketchikan Pulp Company; Thyes Shaub, of Government Af- 

 fairs and Butch Burette, owner of Burette Logging Company; Sally 

 Coady, President of Alaska Women in Timber and John Bukoskey, 

 International Representative of the International Longshoremen's 

 and Warehousemen's Union. 



We thank you all very much for being with us. 



We will start with you, if we may, Mr. Pihl. 



STATEMENT OF MARTIN R. PIHL, PRESIDENT AND GENERAL 

 MANAGER, KETCHIKAN PULP CO. 



Mr. Pihl. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee and 

 staff. I thank you for coming to Ketchikan and thank you for this 

 opportunity to testify. I have submitted extensive written testimo- 

 ny for the record on this vital issue, also a brief oral summary 

 which I will just have to brief you from. 



We would like to make clear at the outset that we respectfully 

 oppose Senate Bill 346 and H.R. 987, which are designed to undo 

 the 1980 ANILCA Compromise, to circumvent the congressionally- 

 mandated planning process, to lock up additional land base and to 

 lower the harvest levels on the Tongass National Forest. That is 

 radical legislation and will over time destroy economics and some 

 participants, I repeat, some participants of the timber industry. 



Cancellation of the KPC contract is wrong, bad policy and would 

 be very very costly to the American taxpayers. As to individual 

 contracts, if concerns exist they should be addressed between the 

 parties. If this is concerning any individual contract, it should not 

 be driving the legislation which has a far-reaching impact on the 

 people in communities of Southeast Alaska. We want to emphasize 

 that. Our current operations have never been brighter in outlook. 

 We have a new sawmill that involves 75 new jobs. This will result 

 in higher stumpage values to the government over time. There are 

 sections in my testimony on environmental stewardship and em- 

 ployment. We employ 950 employees in the area and support 1,200 



