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Senator Burns. When you look at that poster can you tell me 

 what the state of that forest was 6,000 years ago? 



Mr. KiRCHHOFF. When you look at what forest? 



Well, it looks very much today like it did 6,000 years ago, it is 

 just in a state of self-perpetuating forest. The individual changes 

 and forest changes on a very fine scale acre to acre will change but 

 over all it stays in its original state. 



Senator Burns. If we change our management of harvest to se- 

 lective cut, rather than clearcut, would that solve part of the prob- 

 lem? 



Mr. KiRCHHOFF. Yes, it would. 



Senator Wirth. Thank you all very much. We really appreciate 

 your being here. 



The record will, as we pointed out, remain open for any further 

 statistics you want to provide to thoroughly confuse us or to help 

 us. 



Thank you all very much for being here. 



We are going to attempt now to — we are running if you can be- 

 lieve it or not, or believe it, eight minutes ahead of schedule and 

 that is going to stop however, we are going to move right in to the 

 individuals who through the lottery are going to testify. 



Let me now move my — to remind Senator Murkowski and Sena- 

 tor Burns how we were set up for this part of the hearing. We have 

 a witness list outside. All individuals on the witness list should, if 

 they will, take seats in the section down here on the left. I am 

 going to call up to the witness table individuals one at a time in 

 the order that they appear on the witness list and then the next 

 group should take the seats behind those at the witness table and 

 that, as we have done in the panels will have a group that is ac- 

 tively at the plate and a group that is on deck. 



Bring all copies of your written statement with you when you 

 come up and we will collect them and distribute them appropriate- 



ly- 



Each individual should limit his or her testimony to two minutes 

 and keep your eye on the timer. 



We now call up the first twelve witnesses, the order in which 

 they appear and ask the first six to come up here and the second 

 six to take the chairs behind the list. 



Mr. Earl Cook, Mr. Bill Hoff, Mr. Greg Riffe, Mr. Boyd Roberts, 

 Mr. Fred Watkins and Mr. Abe Zimmerman, if you would all 

 please join us, move right in as it is appropriate. Why don't you 

 start right there and as the second six would come up and take the 

 seats behind, Peggy Garrison, Nancy Watt, Walter Begalka and 

 Kent Funk and Jim Bruce and Ed Prefontaine. 



Everybody has been told about this and we are going to move 

 right through and if people are not here I am afraid they are just 

 not going to be here. That is too bad. 



Gentlemen, we thank you very much for being here. Mr. Cook, I 

 guess you are here, is that right? We will start with Mr. Cook and 

 run the timer for two minutes and please introduce yourself and 

 let the panel know what it is you do for a living. 



Mr. Cook, you are on. 



Pull the microphone right up close to you. 



