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Senator Murkowski. For the record I want to address a portion 

 of the remarks made by the gentleman, Mr. Steven Kallick. For 

 your benefit and that of others who may question the propriety of 

 the manner in which this hearing is conducted, you should recog- 

 nize I am not a member of the Subcommittee. Through the courte- 

 sy of the Chairman and the Acting Chairman and the professional 

 staff and the fact that the hearing was in my state, I was accorded 

 the opportunity to participate, which is quite appropriate. 



Now let us make sure we understand a couple of other things; 

 the manner in which you describe the hearing having been con- 

 ducted is a personal affront to my integrity. Now you might be able 

 to mislead some of your people at Seak but you cannot mislead the 

 people in Ketchikan, the people who watch us on television. 



I have seen the statement issued by SEACC and it is blatantly 

 false. In addition, you will reach any end to extend your point of 

 view. If you care to enunciate in some detail the charges I am sure 

 that the professional staff will be happy to respond. 



They conducted this hearing in a manner in which they agreed 

 collectively was the fairest under the circumstances; obviously we 

 regret that we cannot accommodate all the witnesses. I personally 

 was willing to hold the hearing on Sunday but it was impossible to 

 do so for other conflicts which were not my own. Nevertheless we 

 are doing the best we can but I want the record to reflect that if 

 you have any allegations about impropriety you better make it 

 known because I am just a little tired of this kind of flamboyant 

 generalization that comes from Seak and I think Alaskans ought to 

 understand it. [Applause.] 



Senator Wirth. As long as this issue has been brought out and 

 again for the record Senator Murkowski and I had agreed on the 

 random nature, random drawings of people who wanted to testify. 

 We agreed that would be the fairest way of doing it and the loca- 

 tions of the hearing. Senator Murkowski wanted to have a third 

 day of hearings at Wrangell, but that could not be done and Sena- 

 tor Murkowski said that he would be very happy to have the hear- 

 ing yesterday, Sunday, which I would not do so we settled, agreed 

 upon two days to be in Ketchikan today and Sitka tomorrow. 



The only area that, after we tried to figure out all the contingen- 

 cies and all of the variables, the one that we did not think of, that 

 we have never discussed, was the submission of lists, and that was 

 done and lists apparently were submitted and became a part of the 

 drawing process. We never discussed that as a procedure. 



I had assumed that it would be individuals writing in but we 

 never discussed whether individuals writing in or lists being sent 

 in would make people eligible for the drawing so if there is any 

 misunderstanding on that front that misunderstanding exists if 

 people who were on this list had a better chance of being drawn, 

 that is what happened. That was not part of the rules of discussion 

 that we had and I think that that is probably a fair discussion of 

 how the process was set up. So the list issue is the only one that is 

 outstanding in terms of any disagreement that we might have 

 about how the hearings proceeded or were established. 



There now, is there any more to be said? 



Senator Murkowski. Not other than the material somewhere in 

 the offices in Ketchikan and Juneau was simply forwarded on to 



