477 



Senator Wirth. That is acreage that would be removed from any 

 sale? 



Mr. Bremner. Not all of it is commercial forest land. 



Senator Murkowski. What I am trying to get is a specific. How 

 much proposed commercial Federal Forest Service sales would you 

 want not put up for sale? 



Mr. Bremner. For the record, 239,962. 



Senator Murkowski. How many do you want put up for sale of 

 the remaining? 



Mr. Bremner. I do not know what the exact amount is to the 

 north; I do not know west. I do not know what that volume is. 



Senator Murkowski. It is greater or less than the 232? 



Mr. Bremner. It is less than 232,000. 



Senator Murkowski. Thank you. 



If I can briefly go to Ms. Hanlon. In your testimony, which I read 

 and I think it is very well done, you indicated your concern about 

 the effect of floating logs on the fisherman at Hoonah and I can 

 assure you that it is not the intent of the government to destroy 

 the life styles of people at Hoonah. I have been over there several 

 times. I am familiar with some of the road systems. I know the con- 

 cern of the floating logs. It is my understanding that the Hoonah 

 Native Corporation owns about 23,000 acres of land near the 

 Hoonah Village. Do you know how much of that has been logged? 



Ms. Hanlon. The [unintelligible] is completely cut and Sealaska 

 has seven more cuts to go. If you look on your map that you have 

 there, you are going to see that the percentage of the corporation 

 land versus the Tongass National Forest is a very small percent- 

 age. 



Senator Murkowski. That is correct, but is the area immediately 

 near the Hoonah area going to get logged up? I was under the im- 

 pression that you had not quite lost all of the timber, but evidently 

 you have now. I was told that there were about 18,000 acres that 

 had been logged but not al] of it. 



Ms. Hanlon. When the total is done. 



Senator Murkowski. I think much of your statement refers to 

 concerns applicable to both Forest Service sales as well as private 

 sales, because you are rafting out of Hoonah, towing to Wrangell; 

 and that is a mixture of, obviously. Forest Service logs and your 

 own logs. I think we should have the record reflect that your con- 

 cern is primarily with Forest Service sales and not your own sales 

 from your own private land. 



Ms. Hanlon. The reality is that there is already destruction, and 

 with Forest Service's EIS and others', it is included in the impact. 



Senator Murkowski. My point is you have control over what you 

 do with your own lands, if you want to log therli, and Hoonah 

 native people do? 



Ms. Hanlon. I oppose the native logging, too. 



Senator Murkowski. Well, sometimes I am on the losing end, 

 and this seems to be one of them. 



Let me go on and I will be very brief. I thought the testimony by 

 Mr. Carlton Smith, representing the landless areas, is really some- 

 thing that should be explored in the Tongass legislation and this is 

 the opportunity to do it. The landless natives of the five areas of 

 Wrangell, Petersburg, Ketchikan, Tenakee and Haines. I will be 



