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had 23,000 acres to log at Kuiu Cove, and how much have you 

 logged so far? 



Mr. Mallott. A little over 10 percent of it. 



Senator Murkowski. A little over 10 percent. So, you are going 

 to be on Admiralty Island logging for how much longer? 



Mr. Mallott. We estimate 13 to 15 years. 



Senator Murkowski. And that has a little over a million acres 

 set aside in wilderness that had not been previously logged. Thank 

 you very much. 



Senator Wirth. Thank you. Mr. Burns? 



Senator Burns. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman. 



Senator Wirth. Just a few, if I might. I ask you first, Mr. 

 Bremner. We are talking about the areas and the 232,000 acres 

 versus 134,000. The 232 is in legislation that I sponsored, which you 

 referred to in your testimony, and the Southeast Conference has 

 134,000 acres. Have you discussed the differences in your perspec- 

 tive with them? 



Mr. Bremner. No, Senator, I was surprised to hear that number 

 myself. Since I am so actively involved in the community, in the 

 politics of the region, I am surprised that nobody 



Senator Wirth. I do not want to argue about this. What I want 

 to do is to ask if you would get together with the Southeast Confer- 

 ence and with the Mayor, who testified on a previous panel, and 

 maybe we can get the three of you together and see if we can 

 figure out where the agreement might be. And if you could possibly 

 do that, that would be very helpful. 



Mr. Bremner. Yes. 



Senator Wirth. Do you want to add anything else? I do not want 

 to interrupt you. 



Mr. Bremner. Well, you got me going, Senator, but, no, thank 

 you. 



Senator Wirth. Thank you very much. 



Ms. Hanlon, let me see if I understand your statement in your 

 testimony. Am I correct in that you are saying that the Hoonah 

 have done a lot of timbering on their own land but do not want to 

 do that anymore, is that correct? 



Ms. Hanlon. No, the land that was allotted was land that was 

 turned over instead. There was a certain amount that was turned 

 over as timberland for harvesting and Hoonah jumped right on it 

 and logged it off immediately, and so it is gone. 



Senator Wirth. Is that land owned by Hoonah? 



Ms. Hanlon. Yes, by the Hoonah Corporation. 



Senator Wirth. When was that timbering done? 



Ms. Hanlon. It was done about three years ago, maybe four. 



Senator Wirth. There has been a change now in the Hoonah 

 community? 



Ms. Hanlon. Oh, yes. 



Senator Wirth. Tell me about the change. If you had this choice 

 again, do you think that the community would make that decision? 



Ms. Hanlon. I am sure that 



Senator Wirth. They would not make the decision? 



Ms. Hanlon. It was not the peoples' choice to begin with. It was 

 like section 705. 



Senator Wirth. Did Hoonah have to timber that land? 



