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Ms. Hanlon. We did not make any money, so I do not see why 

 we had to, no. 



Senator Wirth. Why did the community then decide — I am just 

 trying to understand what the dynamics were. 



Ms. Hanlon. I did not understand the logic. I opposed it right 

 from the beginning, and it seems that it does not matter what we 

 feel as shareholders, because we feel that our fish and game is im- 

 portant and it is not viable. 



Senator Wirth. Who makes the decision then? Is there somebody 

 else that comes in and makes the decision to timber the land? 



Ms. Hanlon. From what I understand, it was the amount that 

 came to us, there was a certain amount that came as timber area. 



Senator Wirth. It came with a requirement that the land be tim- 

 bered? 



Ms. Hanlon. That was always brought out to the shareholders, 

 and that is the way I understood it. 



Senator Wirth. Do any of the others of you know about this? 



Ms. Hanlon. I do not know. 



Senator Wirth. Any of the other members of the panel? 



[No response.] 



Senator Murkowski. Well, basically the land was selected by the 

 various native corporations, village corporations, in the settlement, 

 and the village corporations naturally selected the land that they 

 traditionally used. And I know it is very complex, but they were 

 simply given the land. And then they elected from their sharehold- 

 ers a Board of Directors and the Board of Directors were in the 

 usual corporate concept they were elected by the shareholders and 

 it is quite evident that the Board of Directors made the final dispo- 

 sition. 



Senator Wirth. That is fine, I appreciate that, but what I am 

 trying to understand here is — what I am trying to understand here 

 is what kind of a change has occurred. 



Ms. Hanlon. The basic change we are facing right now is that 

 we have a log dump, I think that is what it is called, a log dump, 

 right in front of Hoonah and we had five major strips right across 

 Hoonah that has been logged out and definitely damaged. This 

 winter, just before we got the snow, we had very severe high rain 

 and high wind, and as a result, everywhere you looked, the ocean 

 was muddy from the runoff. 



Senator Wirth. And when was it generally decided that you do 

 not want to do any more timbering like this? 



Ms. Hanlon. We cannot afford to lose any more. 



Senator Wirth. Finally, let me, if I might ask you a little bit 

 about this trade, Mr. Senna, we were talking about before. When 

 did this trade — when did you first attempt to do this trade? 



Mr. Senna. I think this was during the 1985 or 1986 time frame, 

 somewhere in there. 



Senator Wirth. And Shee Atika came to somebody. Who did they 

 come to to do a trade for the land you had on Admiralty for other 

 land? Who did you come to? 



Mr. Senna. Well, I do not think it was necessarily Shee Atika 

 going to somebody. I think what we were most interested in doing 

 is having the freedom to develop our land on Admiralty Island and 

 I cannot remember when the process of attempting to do that 



