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Senator Wirth. Oh, you have always wanted to develop on Admi- 

 ralty Island? 



Mr. Senna. Yes, that was our land. 



Senator Wirth. The argument that was being made was that 

 somehow you wanted to trade off Admiralty Island and somebody 

 constrained you from doing that. That has never been your intent? 



Mr. Senna. I think it was a consensus of people that this would 

 be a solution to a lot of problems, if we would be agreeable to trade 

 off Admiralty. 



Senator Wirth. Why did you not trade? 



Mr. Senna. Because we did not receive the terms that were any- 

 where near what 



Senator Wirth. From whom? 



Mr. Senna. From the legislation. As I say, there was no legisla- 

 tion enacted. It was in the final stages of the negotiations that the 

 amounts were finally proposed, and they fell far short of what we 

 needed to get. 



Senator Wirth. By whom? 



Mr. Senna. Not by us. 



Senator Murkowski. Well, it just was not there. I can tell you, if 

 you want. 



Senator Wirth. Well, I am just curious. The witness has said 

 that they did not really want to trade timber on Admiralty but 

 now he is saying, well, there was some legislation that was not ade- 

 quate. And I am just asking for the record whose legislation was it 

 and why was it not adequate so that you could trade? 



Mr. Senna. It was not adequate because it only represented a 

 fraction of the value of our property on Admiralty Island. 



Senator Wirth. Whose legislation and why was that? 



Mr. Senna. Maybe the Senator can help me out. I do not know 

 exactly whose. 



Senator Murkowski. Well, the difficulty is he was not running 

 the Shee Atika Corporation back then. My memory just goes back 

 to the mid 1980s. First of all, you have to understand that for rea- 

 sons unknown to me. Congress designated the selection for Shee 

 Atika on Admiralty Island. The will of Congress is something that 

 sometimes you and I find bewildering. 



Senator Wirth. So, they had the land on Admiralty Island. 

 Either they wanted the timber on Admiralty or they wanted to 

 trade. 



Senator Murkowski. Just a minute. They were tied up in law- 

 suits, as they proposed their logging program and their reading 

 program and, as the Shee Atika gentleman said, these lawsuits ex- 

 tended to a point in time where they almost broke their corpora- 

 tion. However, attempts were being made, and I was one of them 

 and Don Young was another, to try and work an exchange. 



And it took the cooperation of all parties. Now, all parties, not 

 just the parties that had land. That means the Forest Service. That 

 means the native corporations that have their own land, and that 

 means the Federal Government, that had the control of the other 

 land with its various classification of wilderness or those areas that 

 were withdrawn pending TLMP. 



Now, we urged those parties to get together and come up with a 

 resolution we could present before the necessary committee and get 



