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I am wondering, gentlemen, if you hike and fish in the Peters- 

 burg area and other areas, Mitkoff Island, do you think that 30 

 meters is sufficient for the buffer strips along streams? Somebody 

 has got to say what is reasonable and what is unreasonable if we 

 are going to rewrite this legislation. Now, I do not know. 



Senator Wirth. Senator Murkowski, regarding the recent re^^Tit- 

 ing of the State Forest Practices Act talking about a 15 and 30 

 meter retention on the salmon streams, a lot of input from organi- 

 zations and indiN-iduals has been for a 100 foot minimum xsith a 

 200 foot conditional han-^est area, or 300 feet total in any salmon 

 estuarv'. I think that the 30 meters is minimum. 



Senator Murkowski. I think it is important that we already 

 have the danger of blow down. If it is a hundred meters and it 

 keeps blowing down, eventually it is going to fall in the creek. But 

 nevertheless something has to be determined. 



Mr. Wyman, I was curious, in your recommendation on the sensi- 

 tive areas you recommended a LUD 2 designation rather than vdl- 

 derness? 



Mr. Wyman. I think, you know, the Council came up with a 

 statement. 1 think it is a real concern, prior to locking up more 

 lands in wilderness and putting them away forever, I think with 

 this designation, we can still be able to do some things the Tongass 

 that most user groups can still do. 



Senator Murkowski. Well, the record will remain open, but this 

 is a kind of issue that would become ver>- controversial in commit- 

 tee. I am sure that the general consensus is when we take some of 

 these area that are of concern, the immediate probability is to put 

 them in wilderness. You are saying, no, put them in LUD 2. We 

 encourage you. if you have a strong conviction, to give us a little 

 more definite reason why. 



Mr. Wyman. I have the written testimony on behalf of myself 

 and have the wTitten testimony of our Advisory Committee, and I 

 would hope that if there is going to be any plan, especially \%'ith 

 regard to the Chichagof area, which is the largest section that Sen- 

 ator Wirth has in his bill that is set aside for moratorium, that you 

 give us a chance, the local Ad\'isory Committee, a chance to com- 

 ment on those areas. 



Senator Murkowski. Let me just be a little brief here. What is 

 the wilderness designation due to the ability of the public to enjoy 

 it in relationship to LUD 2? There must be some line that you are 

 concerned about here in this designation. Can you take a boat up 

 the creek if it is a \\'ilderness and can you in a LUD 2? 



Mr. Wyman. I think LUD 2 — well. I am not quite sure on all of 

 the pro\'isions of it. The thing about LUD 2, it still pro\'ides for 

 projects to happen, it still proWdes for money to happen, and I do 

 not know quite — well, I am not sure about the logging but I think 

 it still allows a certain extent of logging. Maybe that is a LUD 3 

 designation; I am not sure. 



Senator Murkowski. No logging is allowed, it is my understand- 

 ing. 



Mr. Wyman. Well, we do not have any problems ^;^-ith the LUD 2, 

 but sometimes we have problems v^ith the wilderness designation 

 that came about from ANILCA. 



