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ment of our local resources. I feel that Alaskans can manage their 

 responsibility. 



Senator Wirth. Thank you very much. Thank you all. You came 

 in under the deadline. 



Next are Joe Kilburn, Sandra Craig, Frank Wright, Jr., Richard 

 Bean, Jr., R. Bartlett Watson, Gordon Harang. On deck we have 

 Mike Kaelke, Steve Brenner, Mike Elerding, Babe Stragier, Wayne 

 Pattison, and Frances Longshore. 



Mr. Kilburn, please begin for us. 



STATEMENT OF JOSEPH KILBURN 



Mr. Kilburn. My name is Joseph Kilburn. I am a veteran of for- 

 eign wars. I am here today to speak in favor of Senator Wirth's 

 bill, S.346, Tongass Timber Reform Act. I realize that in doing this 

 I may be jeopardizing any work I now have or hopes of full time 

 employment in Sitka, since I have been discriminated against prior 

 to this by APC and contractors and it is presently in the hands of 

 the NLRB. 



This bill would not shut down APC or the logging industry as the 

 crying wolf APC would like the public to believe. This bill must be 

 strengthened for the benefit of all the taxpayers of the United 

 States of America. It seems that the taxpayers' money is being 

 used to subsidize the pulp mills timber. We, the taxpayers, lose 

 money every year on this operation. Isn't it time that we stop this? 

 Let the mills operate without all the giveaways. Regulations should 

 be followed by them, as the general public has to do. I am certain 

 that if I nitric washed equipment I could not dump it into the bay. 

 Yet, I am sure APC has done this. If APC wishes to continue oper- 

 ations, that is fine, but let them follow the same pollution laws 

 that the majority of Americans have to. They deserve no special 

 treatment just because it is a foreign owned company. 



APC showed how little respect it has for law and order by its ac- 

 tions between 1959 and 1975. LPK and APC caused a government 

 loss of up to $81 million. 



In the years ahead without the Tongass Timber Reform there is 

 a projected loss of up to $3 billion, depending on sale prices. This 

 loss would be paid for by all taxpayers, not just Sitka. I do not 

 know of any other private business in southeast Alaska, except the 

 pulp mills, that reap such benefits. 



Thank you for allowing me to speak. 



Senator Wirth. Thank you, very much, Mr. Kilburn. I am going 

 to be writing again to the company about yours and the Severs 

 case. Lydia George said that her son could not get employment 

 there and it is a fact that preference is supposed to go to people in 

 southeast Alaska. We do want to pursue that and make sure that, 

 in fact, that is happening. 



Sandra Craig. 



STATEMENT OF SANDRA CRAIG 



Ms. Craig. I am Sandra Craig. I live in Elfin Cove. I have been a 

 commercial fisherman for the p£ist 10 years. I am also a charter 

 boat operator. I was raised in an Oregon logging family. My father 

 owned what was probably the first chain saw in Oregon. I have 



